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  • #2478051
    Todd Oddity
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    First step is to narrow down what you need from your software. You mention RB and Traktor, but nothing else. Is there a reason you’ve picked those two? Once you define what it is you need in the software, the hardware question starts to become clearer.

    #2478101
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    What Todd said! 😀

    RB and Traktor being your choices, they are rather far apart in many ways. Had you said RB and Serato I would have understood.

    Best way to start with your decision making process it by determining your (desired/intended) workflow. I.e. what kind of DJ do you want to be, what features you need/want (like DVS for scratching, performance pads, sampler/remix decks, etx.)

    There are combination to make that will let you integrate two 1200s with a DJ controller and allow you to play both regular vinyl or do DVS with timecode vinyl as well as play digital tracks from the two controller decks. And those controllers support various software from Serato to Traktor to RekordBox to Virtual DJ. So plenty to choose from I’d say.

    #2478141
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Doing quite a bit of DVS myself these days again I can say controller + decks is the way to go these days.
    Also I feel that Traktor is going more and more towards its own controller and abandoning the DVS line quite a bit in recent updates.
    Hence I would feel drawn to Serato or Rekordbox.
    If you want no vendor lock in I would go with a controller that supports all major players and is quite open.

    So I would narrow it down to:
    AKAI AFX/AMX combo if you want to go cheap and use Serato or Cross.
    Pioneer DDJ-SX2, nearly same price as your DJM-450 and much much better. Supports Serato DVS and Rekordbox DJ.
    Denon MCX 8000 (what I use, with 2 reloop 7000 decks) supports Serato and Cross support incoming (or you can map yourself).

    #2478551
    Peter Rietveld
    Participant

    Thanks for the info guys.

    As said, I’m new to this so that I compare Traktor Scratch with Rekordbox DJ/DVS seems obvious to me. Aren’t they both software to use timecode? That I didn’t mention Serato is that I thought that Rekordbox DJ/DVS is a replacement for Serato, as for Pioneer DJ. The DJM-450 comes with RB DJ/DVS and supports DVS. So I can use it with Traktor Scratch or Rekordbox DJ/DVS or Serato DVS? Please tell me where I’m wrong.

    At first I looked at controllers, but for a turntablist that seems to be overhead. The two decks I don’t think I will use, and the turntables will be further away from my mixer. That’s why I came up with the DJM-450. No big changes to my current setup, but with usb/dvs so I can use my laptop/tablet. For now I guess I want to be able to use a sampler and remix deck, and to be able to play a mp3 once in a while using timecode. But the main focus will be vinyl. Maybe later a XDJ-700 to have a deck. To have pads to play around with samples/remix deck I looked at a DDJ-SP1.

    Maybe I should strip it down to some questions.

    What are the differences between the software mentioned?
    Is the DJM-450 support all DVS software/timecode vinyl like Scratch, Serato and Rekordbox?
    Why is a SX2 better then a DJM-450?
    Can the mixer of a SX2 being used as an standalone mixer for my turntables?
    What would you say about a Native Instruments Traktor Kontrol S4 MK2 and it’s compatibility?

    Thanks in advance

    #2478691
    Peter Lindqvist
    Participant

    My first thought was that just buy the DJM-450 and go from there. I don’t think the DVS vinyl is included but the licences for RB DJ and the DVS are. With the Magvel fader and the well known Pioneer layout you’ll be ready to rock in minutes.

    This also sets you up for digital DJ’ing in every other aspect if you wanna go down that road later. The pioneer CDJ’s and XDJ’s will be supported by RB DJ from the get go and as for Traktor and Serato, I think it’s a matter of time. For the NXS2 setup it took 9-10 months to get compatible. This should go faster.

    With the RB DJ, you’ll be prepared not only to add new gear later. You’ll be prepared to export your music libraries to a USB-stick without any other preparations. If the time and opportunity comes your way later, you can show up with that USB-stick and a pair of headphones to any club that uses the Pioneer club gear, and do your thing. It’s not that big of a step to use the CDJ-2000/Nxs/Nxs2’s and do your routines.

    It’s 22 years since I left the vinyl for CD’s but I’m still very much hooked to the way I played the vinyl for the first 10 years. I get you completely when you say you don’t want your Technics too far away, because it will interrupt your way of playing. I’m all digital today using the Pioneer NXS/NXS2 range of products, but I prefer not to place my gear in any other way than I’ve done for the last three decades.

    This weekend I’m going to play in a large venue and I’m told there’s a XDJ-RX in the booth. If I can, I will bring my own CDJ-2000Nxs/DJM-800 just to avoid spending half the evening focusing on learning the RX instead of giving my all to the people, …and i’ve tested the RX, and think it’s a great unit, but some of the key buttons are placed in different places and I would to have look around for info on the one screen, that I can find with a glance otherwise.

    Good luck with your choices and welcome to the digital era 🙂 .

    #2478771
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    I’d never put my money on a non-Native Instruments hardware with Traktor software anymore. Traktor has rapidly closed their ecosystem and might do so even more when a major upgrade comes around.

    As for mixers/sound cards for DVS, they need to be supported by the software! So while the DJM450 might be DVS-ready in a technical sense, if it’s not Traktor-supported (and it’s not on the compatible list), it will NOT let you do DVS with Traktor. Same goes for Serato. If a sound card/mixer is not Serato certified (and -again- the 450 is not on the compatible list), it won’t work with DVS (or at all actually).

    I can understand the “only TTs and a battle mixer” setup, so won’t bother you with controllers.

    #2478811
    Peter Rietveld
    Participant

    Thanks again for the info, guys, and your time.

    It’s not that I don’t want a dj controller at all. They have their benefits over seperate hardware. The disadvantage for me is that a setup with a controller is to different from what I’m used to. As I see it now, I want to be free (as possible) in what hardware I will use and what not. But feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

    For the DJM-450, it’s just on the market and Pioneer claims it’s the little brother of the NSX2. The NSX2 is on the compatible list so I assumed the DJM-450 will be in the near future. So I e-mailed Pioneer and Native Instruments but both are pointing out at the compatibility list. But when it’s not on that list it doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. I asked them if they did test it, but they didn’t.

    Maybe someone here can tell me if other software then RB DJ will work with DVS? From practice?

    Oh, what do I hate vendor lock-in and eco-systems. Let DVS be a protocol, and don’t make it hard for us to be compatible at all. Now we have no winners, only users. But maybe this sounds to hippie-ish 😛

    For now I am inclined to go with this new setup, but I still like Traktor Scratch. It’s just to be save:

    2 x Technics 1210MKII
    Pioneer DJM-450 (replacing my current mixer)
    Pioneer DDJ-SP1 midi controller
    Laptop with Pioneer Rekordbox DJ/DVS

    But please keep shooting at it if you think oterwise 🙂

    #2478891
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Unfortunately, as far as I know at least for Traktor and Serato, not compatible = not supported = not authorized = not working!

    Where with midi you could go ahead and try to map your own gear if the software allows midi-mapping (not always an easy option btw), this won’t work with Serato for sound cards and controllers nor with Traktor for sound cards.

    Mixvibes Cross, I know, lets you do DVS with any kind of sound-card. It happens to be the software I have been using for the last couple of years. At 129 USD/EURO for the most extensive version, including video, HID support for all things Pioneer CDJ and DVS, as well as free upgrades (thusfar), it’s priced very competitively. Also it has a (time-limited, think it’s 2 weeks) full-feature test/demo version.

    Not quite sure what the options are for DJay Pro (mac only) or Virtual DJ though.

    Last word on eco-systems. With Traktor closing up more tightly the last couple of years and Pioneer clearly favoring RB DJ now they have their own software, don’t expect either to be really willing to put much effort in testing/certifying other vendors gear. Due to “club standards” it seems slightly more likely that Traktor software will try supporting club gear (NOT the controllers!) than that Pioneer will start supporting more software from third-party vendors. Point in case the whole new R-series of controllers. While technically almost identical with the S-series, it seems they won’t work with anything but RekordBox DJ, while the S-series WILL work with RB DJ and most other major software.

    #2478911
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    <NOTE FROM MODERATOR>

    I have removed your other post on this subject. You pretty much asked the same question in this post and posting rules forbid to have multiple posts on the same topic/question/issue by the same user.

    #2478921
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    P.s. Your name suggest you are, like me, in Holland (or Belgium of course).

    #2478961
    Peter Lindqvist
    Participant

    B.t.w, you can always buy a second hand solution to get more options now with most vendors creating more or less closed echo systems. I got myself a Rane SL1, cost me about 90£, to get some extended life out of my CDJ-1000Mk3’s. If you just want to be able to play your tracks from your laptop, it works absolutely flawless. It only supports Serato Scratch, but I run it on my AMD 1,6 Ghz 4 core laptop with Windows 10/64. It just works :). No more burning CD’s for backup.

    Furthermore, I can use that box with just about any turntables/players/mixer i want. All I need is the DVS signal/media. I’ve invested all I can manage for the next 5 years in my NXS2 setup, so this was the cheap backup solution I could afford and I’m very satisfied with how easy it was to setup and how solid it seems to be.

    #2479291
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Honestly if you want a setup where your mixer and effects are as small and battle worthy as possible I would go with the AKAI AMX + AFX setup.
    It is the smallest sized down battle setup there can be for DVS, of course only Serato DJ. Yes you need to buy the Serato DVS upgrade, but since the controllers are so dirt cheap it totally makes sense.
    I saw a scratch world champion take on those 2 (and cannot say his name since he is sponsored by another brand) but it was mind blowing. These things may look like toys, but they are for real and sound quality is over the top.

    I would still strongly recommend against the 450, while Pioneer is good at advertising, they are not good at delivering that promises all the time… not unlike Mercedes (which many buy because of brand name) when every Mazda 6 will blow away any Mercedes C-Class in performance, features and reliability.

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