More Love to Yamaha DXR Speakers
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April 2, 2014 at 8:58 am #2020654
Terry_42
KeymasterThe problem is not the missing love for Yamaha, I totally agree with your assessment, but that most PA questions are “cheaper the better”.
Which is not what one should ask if they invest in PAs… hehe but it is what we are confronted with. To many the 100 bucks do matter (sadly).But I totally agree with you, the Yamaha sound really good and are an awesome bang for the buck even, considering their build quality. Yamaha is actually one of the very few companies, no matter if PA, studio gear, instruments, where I can recall a product that was actually really bad. Even their budget stuff is usually quite good.
April 3, 2014 at 1:37 am #2021013D. Dodge
ParticipantYou are 100% correct.
I’m about to buy a Yamaha mixer for when we do live music with bands, can’t go wrong with Yamaha.
April 3, 2014 at 8:08 am #2021130DJ Vintage
ModeratorI bought a 16-channel Yamaha mixer a while back for live work. Lightweight, good quality sound and relatively dirt cheap. Found out after the fact that many guys at serious sound companies use one to take with them to smaller events.
I am not a fan of “plastic” speakers, but I agree that ABS is definitely more road-worthy than wood. Although there are new coatings out there that will do the trick quite nicely. Expensive coating though, so not found on low and midrange gear.
Greetinx.
April 3, 2014 at 7:22 pm #2021291Terry_42
KeymasterI agree totally on the PA mixers, I love Yamaha mixers. They are the most intelligent with the mixer layout, have excellent functions for live use and the sound quality even of the cheaper budget mixers is top notch. Especially the mixers feel like you know that the developer had a plan to make them more useful… which I cannot say for many companies hehe
April 5, 2014 at 7:31 pm #2021704squarecell
ParticipantI don’t know where you’re shopping, but in my neck of the woods it’s $400 difference per top and the same per sub between EV ELX and the Yammys.
Add that up, and that’s $1600 bucks I’d rather have in my pocket.
Considering every other DJ in my town uses Behringer, my stuff still looks and sounds way better than the competition.
Don’t get me wrong, I do love the Yamaha brand though.
April 6, 2014 at 8:40 am #2021769DJ Vintage
ModeratorI can see that. As long as you (and your audience) are happy with what you are bringing to the party, I’d say you’ve made the right choice.
There is basically three levels in my opinion: not good enough, good enough and great.
Some of the lower brands will have people go “sound is not too great”. There is a big middle bit where people won’t comment on the sound quality eiter way, good nor bad. And finally there is the stuff that has people actively comment on how good things sound. Obviously the latter is usually reserved for the high end gear with matching price tags and, imho, always in connection with someone with enough knowledge/experience to set them up and tune them properly.
In the middle category, there is loads of brands which all have their own pro’s and cons, their own particular sound. But since your are not doing an A/B comparison on the dancefloor, if it sounds good, well … it sounds good 😛 .
Hope you have a long time to enjoy the EV’s.
Greetinx.
April 7, 2014 at 8:17 pm #2022105Coltrane09
ParticipantOk, I have a question about the Yamaha Mixers and similar mixers with this particular layout.
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/live_sound/mixers/analog-mixers/mg_series_c_models/mg102c/?mode=model
I’m used to using a Behringer Xenyx 802 (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/802.aspx) that has a MID EQ knob for all channels. However, for the Yamaha MG102C there is no MID EQ for channels 7-10. Those channels only have a HIGH and LOW EQ knob.
If I’m using all 4 of the Mic inputs with the Yamaha MG102C this means that I will not be able to adjust the MID EQ when I plug my controller/mixer into Channel 7/8. I will only have the HIGH and LOW EQ to adjust. I can adjust the MID on the controller/mixer, but I like to run my controllers’ EQ’s at 12 o’clock.
Am I approaching this whole ordeal incorrectly? The controllers to have MID EQ’s across the board seem to cost more, but is it necessary for me to have spend more if I’m approaching the science behind everything wrong?
Thanks in advance.
April 7, 2014 at 8:39 pm #2022110DJ Vintage
ModeratorI am lost. You only need one stereo channel on the mixer for you controller main out. What do you need the eqs on the mixer for for that stereo channel? Channel eq on a mixer is neither made for nor suitable for room eq-ing. And for effect eq-ing you use your controllers eq.
The yamaha mic preamps beat the behringers by a mile imho, so it would be an easy choice for me. I actually have the MG166CX USB for live sound applications.
Plug in your 4 mics, the controller master out on (preferably) balanced inputs on channel 7/8. Leave channel EQ on 7/8 neutral. Set levels on the mixer for 0dB and play your heart out.
Greetinx.
April 7, 2014 at 8:51 pm #2022113Coltrane09
ParticipantYeah, that’s the thing. I normally EQ the Behringer for the room during the sound check and leave the EQ’s on the Denon MC6000 neutral. Once I set the Behringer for the room during the sound check, I don’t touch it ever again. If I want to give a little low end, high or mid I do it on the MC6000. Does that make sense now?
Given that channel 7/8 only has a HIGH and LOW EQ I don’t have the ability to tweak the MID during the sound check. I’ve been doing it that way since I’ve been shadowing a DJ/Sound guy. Is that not the common practice of setting your levels on a compact mixer?
That MC166CX is a beast, but I confident only needing no more than 4 MIC channels.
Thanks.
April 8, 2014 at 7:30 am #2022214DJ Vintage
ModeratorHi,
Yeah, I (used to) do bands of up to 5 people including the odd drum kit that needs mics (4 to 7 depending) and the 24-channel was too big. So I ended up with this one. Love it for the price and size.
I have added a Mackie DL1608 (16 in – 6 aux – 2 master) iPad live mixer to my arsenal. Way more compact. True 16 mic channels and digital. There is a smaller 806 model too (8 in – 4 aux – 2 master). The good thing it has 31-band graphic EQ on ALL outputs (so including the AUX), which makes it great for room EQ.
When using a compact sound board to EQ a room, pretty much the only thing you CAN do (or SHOULD do really) is take away something if the room boost a frequency too much. If you are missing MIDs, then boosting mids equals lowering bass/highs (for arguments sake anyway).
In 90% of the time the low or high will be the problem area. In the few cases where you need more mid, just tune both lows and mid down a bit and the effect would be the same as raising a mid eq if you’d have one.
Having said that, I don’t really bother in most venues anymore. It’s either a small deviation, in which case the audience probably won’t notice all your extra work or it’s a really big deviation, which you can’t fix with a 3-band non-parametric EQ.
Obviously us DJs use the controller EQ for effect purposes, but there is noone that says you can’t set your mid EQs to +2 dB on all channels as neutral during a gig. Put a piece of white stage tape near the knob with a small arrow marking neutral so you don’t forget.
Now when you decide to use mid-EQ for effect, you do it as you always would, when you are done you don’t return to 12 o’clock neutral but +2dB neutral.
So, there are some ways to work it with either the low/high EQ on the Behringer or the mid EQs on your controller (or a combination of both, just don’t go overboard lol).
Hope that helps.
Greetinx.
April 11, 2014 at 2:59 am #2022770D. Dodge
ParticipantI’ve never had EQ issues with only a high and low (as lost as there’s a master graphic EQ). I used to use the last couple channels for rhythm guitar or chorus singers — things that won’t need much change.
For those who have mixers with compression on each channel, did you use it very often? How about the USB I/O? USB sounds like it would be great for recording, except that you can only record as a single track instead of multi-track.
Debating between something like the Yamaha MG124 or Behringer XENYX x1622USB.Back to the Yamaha vs EV, if you like the sound of EV’s that’s cool — I just wanted to give a first hand comparison of the two since I wasn’t able to do so before purchasing.
April 11, 2014 at 7:32 am #2022788DJ Vintage
ModeratorHey DussT,
Yeah high and low EQ for simple mic channels is fine. It’s limited for room EQ, but then again any kind of 2- or 3-band non-parametric EQ is hopelessly inadequate. You mentioned the graphic EQ on the master which indeed is the best option, a good 4-channel parametric (with at least two of the channels parametric) can be useful in lieu of GEQ to filter out some naste frequencies.
I don’t usually use the on-board compression, although I have to say the built-in one-button compression on the Yamaha’s isn’t half bad when you are in a pinch.
USB I/O is 2-channel both ways. So you can either record your stereo master, or two tracks while playing back two more. This way you can do small “ping-pong” multitrack recording. Not as nice as having a full-fledged 16-channel digital recording session, but I know of quite a few people who do it that way. First record their piano, then a guitar, finally some vocals. Then post-production in Cubase or something. Especially for a quick demo, it’s very much worth the minor extra cost imho.
If faced with a choice between Yamaha MG-series and Behringer Xenyx, 100% Yamaha. Just my opinion of course, but having used both, it’s a no-brainer for me.
Greetinx.
April 13, 2014 at 11:13 pm #2023093D. Dodge
ParticipantVery well, Yamaha it is, thanks man.
Now if I could just decide on two moving heads (intimidator 250 or inno spot 50w led). I’m surprised there aren’t any videos comparing the 2 since they’re so similar.
April 13, 2014 at 11:49 pm #2023096DJ Vintage
ModeratorI like the Inno Spot (80W LED) :-€
April 14, 2014 at 12:47 am #2023105D. Dodge
ParticipantThose are indeed great lights, but $300 more per light than what I really want to spend… I need to get some big gigs lined up!
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