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  • #2035363
    Alchemy432
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    mk-ultra as a dj name… smh..

    #2035377
    AuralCandy.Net
    Participant

    Care to tell us what’s wrong with MK-Ultra as a DJ name exactly? I’m sure your complaint can’t be about originality, since your own nickname is Alchemy.

    So how about it, buddy boy? Spit out what’s bothering you. Give us something concrete and preferably constructive instead of shouting from the bushes like a punk.

    #2035389
    Alchemy432
    Participant

    lol, u angry bro?

    Alchemy isn’t my dj name, its a pursuit i’m fond of which I picked as a screen name for this forum.

    hmm concrete and constructive. ok. choosing to name yourself after a once secret u.s military/cia program that researched mind control techniques and the possibilities of said techniques is distasteful… at least for those who know a little about the history of mk-ultra. there is nothing positive about it whatsoever, its referencing something entirely negative and some would go so far to say is evil. furthermore why name yourself after something you know nothing about, unless of course the dj did know what it was about and chose it anyway, in which case, wow what a douchebag. if the dj was producing the filthiest nastiest breakcore or dubstep he could then distasteful names could be the right way to go, but funk flavoured house music? doesn’t really mesh in my humble opinion.

    so thats my personal opinion, which I’m entitled to whether you like it or agree with it.

    as for constructive, how about literally anything that isn’t negative as hell? its meant to be a party after all is it not?

    If I want to tap into aggression and depression I’ll listen to breakcore/dubstep, metal or blues.

    make sense?

    #2035390
    Alchemy432
    Participant

    actually, calling the dj a douchebag was rude and unnecessary for which I apologize. maybe its just a case of ignorance or lack of empathy…

    Peace.

    #2035393
    Alchemy432
    Participant

    nevermind, you’ve already inadvertantly answered my questions on the auralcandy.net facebook page:

    “When I chose the name MK-Ultra I was a teenage kid with a passion for conspiracy theories. I’m now on my thirties and I’ve seen several of those conspiracy theories become reality. I’m fortunate to live in a place where such matters don’t directly affect my life, but that’s not to say they won’t some day. Therefore the name acts a reminder why it is important to always remain skeptical towards authority.

    Is any of this related to house music and being a DJ? Not as such, but there’s no harm in educating people while entertaining them”

    you’re intentions may be good, but as for educating your listeners, I have a different viewpoint to yours on the effectiveness of your methods, which I’ll keep to myself to avoid further stupid and unnecessary conflict.

    as far as I’m concerned this conversation is over.

    Peace.

    #2035402
    AuralCandy.Net
    Participant

    I’ll give you credit for taking the time to do your homework and dig up the Facebook post that explains the whole history behind the DJ name. Saves me the trouble of explaining it here.

    I do agree that what project MK-Ultra did was downright evil, but arguably its political and cultural consequences weren’t (as explained in the Facebook post). While it was stated that the purpose of the DJ name is also to educate the listeners, primarily the name has a personal meaning for the reasons likewise explained in the Facebook post.

    After some consideration I’m inclined to agree with you. Without proper context the name might sound like it’s idolizing project MK-Ultra. One might even say it’s a bit like calling oneself “DJ Holocaust”, which would definitely be distasteful by anyones standards.

    #2035436
    Alchemy432
    Participant

    Your civil and respectful reply has prompted me to return to the conversation and I commend you for it.

    when you say cultural consequences I think of subliminal advertising, soulless corporate marketing techniques, and the negative effects they have on western society.. and now other nations who seek to ‘do the west, better than the west do’ as if our ‘western’ ways are flawless and perfect… which they are not, not at all. plenty of flaws everywhere. unfortunate thing to want to emulate… or perhaps more accurately, it seems that different nations are emulating the negative aspects of other nations ‘ways’ more so than the positive ones.

    also I think of things that have been shown to induce trance like behavior which are sprinkled throughout music videos etc, I won’t go into detail but I think you know the kind of things I’m referring too. someone once said that “advertising is the respectable.. no, the socially acceptable face of mind control” again I think you know what I’m getting at.

    when you say political consequences, well I think of a certain politician in power around 30 yrs back who was forced to partially admit to the programs we’ve been talking of, and make statements to the effect that these programs had been stopped.. but its also public knowledge that these programs existed prior too and were “stopped” long before mk-ultra.. one way to put it is that they likely got ‘re-branded’ so to speak, and continue to be ‘re-branded’ as well as different techniques being adopted by groups from a wide range of industries.

    As for consequences for the politicians in power at that time, well I thought that there weren’t any, and it was just “business as usual” following the press releases/statements etc, but perhaps this could be reasoned to be due to what I understand was an almost non-existent authority over said programs by the governments of the countries… but perhaps I have my details wrong.

    so I am probably misunderstanding what you meant by political and cultural consequences because I can only seem to see the negative ones.

    you hit the nail on the head with the context thing, the ‘idolization’ aspect from the audience, and the ‘social responsibility’ aspect from the artist is what was bothering me, but you eloquently put it into the words I couldn’t seem to find.

    what I didn’t explain and to give some context of my own, was that I myself chose an offensive dj name back when I was a conspiracy theorizing teenager myself (eerily similar…) it was distasteful, offensive and insensitive, not quite as bad as dj holocaust.. but pretty damn close, certainly more offensive to a wider group of people then the name mk-ultra. Unfortunately the name still has the potential to affect my future career in the music industry in a negative way despite it being something I ran with for only a brief time as a somewhat thoughtless teenager with a background in punk music and the attitudes that came with it (ironic that you earlier called me a punk, as I literally did used to be one). I guess mistakes are how we learn and all I can do on a personal level is to think ‘such is life’ and hope for the best.

    Point is, when I read your thread here, it hit a nerve and if I’d seen your thread 2 years ago I’d probably have thought nothing of it, but as I’m reflecting on my own happenings, I seem to be noticing things of similarity and (over?)reacting to them…

    as for your own name, I commend your efforts to try to turn it into, and keep it as, a positive ‘promoting awareness’ type thing, I believe social responsibility of artists is all well and good but has its limits, and we the artists can only do so much.

    I’m also realistic enough to understand that everyone has bills to pay and needs to eat, so I’m not suggesting for you to suddenly change your name and wreck an established following or career, we only have so many years in life and rebuilding an ‘identity’ in the dj world or the music industry at large, can take a long time.

    Finally, something I’m beginning to realize only this year is that judgements are often misplaced, knee jerk reactions caused by a fearful lack of understanding; and that none of us are saints, we can only do the best that we can do.

    so now that I’m in a clearer state of mind and regardless of everything we talked about thus far, I wish you the best of luck with your career, and I appreciate your thoughtfulness both in this conversation and the efforts you’ve made in a personal/business context 🙂

    Peace.

    #2035565
    AuralCandy.Net
    Participant

    When I mentioned positive political and cultural consequences of MK-Ultra, I was specifically referring to this part of the aforementioned Facebook post:

    “Eventually some of the experimented drugs such as LSD found their way on the streets. CIA hoped LSD could be used to rob test subjects of their free will. Rather ironically, it had the opposite effect of making people think outside the box. In fact, LSD played a major part in the birth of the hippie movement during the 1960s. The hippies quite literally turned a weapon of oppression into an instrument of peace. Hippie ideology might seem naive by todays standards, but it’s important to recognize its significance in ending the Vietnam war.”

    While ending of the Vietnam war was not a direct consequence rather than the result of a chain of events, it was a positive thing. Obviously there were negative aspects in the hippie movement, such as substance abuse, but its core message of peace, love, tolerance and anti-materialism is something I consider to be positive.

    As for the cultural and political consequences you mentioned…yeah, I more or less agree with you there. I’ll deliberately refrain from commenting further. Seeing we’re both into history and conspiracy theories, I’m sure it would be an interesting and fruitful conversation, but it would seriously derail this conversation off-topic, so let’s just leave it at that 🙂

    You know what’s rather interesting too? I’ve had this DJ name “MK-Ultra” for more than 12 years, but you are the first person to react to it like this. While one can argue that “DJ MK-Ultra” is comparable to “DJ Holocaust”, people just don’t seem to take it like that. Mostly because extremely few people have ever heard of project MK-Ultra, but even when explained what MK-Ultra is/was, people don’t take it like I’m idolizing the project or its actions. This goes for both Europeans and Americans.

    I guess it all comes down to how people associate words and symbols. For example, people of Christian faith often wear crosses on their neck. It’s rather macabre if you think about it. After all, it’s like wearing a electric chair or noose on a pendant.

    #2035568
    Alchemy432
    Participant

    ah well then I do indeed see the positive cultural effects you speak of, and I agree, also its good to see that LSD is making a comeback having been approved for trials in therapeutic use, etc. Another would be research into MDMA for the use of treating PTSD in retired soldiers. Good drugs being used in good ways for good things.

    Lol, I think this topic has been well and truly derailed but I’ll respectfully make this my last post.
    As for my reaction, as I said, I may have over-reacted there, for the reasons explained; but I’m a bit eccentric anyway so there’s that too… I was worse as the conspiracy theorizing teen tho, saw TPTB and conintelpro everywhere… everywhere that of course they weren’t. 😛

    finally on the symbol thing, yes macabre indeed, and Bill Hicks would definitely agree with you 😉

    Good luck with the comp’ if I knew anything about house I’d give you some feedback, but I don’t so can’t comment really.

    Peace!

    #2035569
    AuralCandy.Net
    Participant

    Thanks for raising an interesting point and giving me some food for thought. I’m glad this turned out to be a constructive discussion even though it didn’t start as such.

    Peace!

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