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Mixing with Traktor Key Scale vs mixed in key Camelot

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  • February 20, 2015 at 7:13 am #2144001
    Phil Morse
    Keymaster

    Good question, I’m going to reply to this on the main site tomorrow for you 🙂

    February 20, 2015 at 11:04 am #2144291
    deathy
    Participant

    You are overthinking it.

    Camelot vs. Open Key

    The numbers and letters are different, but they mean exactly the same thing. So, 4A in Camelot is 9m in Open Key. They behave the same, though – you can go from 9m to 10m, 8m, or 8d, and so on and so forth, just the same. In Camelot, A is minor, B is major. In Open Key, m is minor and d is major.

    However, the biggest thing to be aware of is that Traktor’s built-in key detection is BAD with a capital BAD. Check out DJTT’s great article comparing what’s available – Key Detection Software Comparison: 2014 Edition

    Traktor will import the key detection from MiK. Internally, it will still display it using Open Key, but the important thing is that it will use MiK’s detected key rather than trying to use it’s own *bleep*y routine.

    When you are importing tracks into Traktor, you want to analyze them – by default, it will do a full analysis and step all over MiK’s detected key. When you get that Analysis pop-up, check “Custom” (or whatever, don’t have Traktor in front of me, so the exact word may be slightly different), then make sure that you check the options you want (I use gain and BPM/first beat) but leave key unchecked.

    Hope this helps!

    February 20, 2015 at 2:06 pm #2144441
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Yep, Mixed in Key is best of the best and actually the only one in the test that got things wrong by fifths only. ALL others had multiple errors in major/minor determination. And while I’ll survive going 2 up or down instead of one (it’s actually a common variation on the use of the scales, I’d hate to get a major tune if I was planning a minor LOL.

    Just me of course, and who am I?

    February 20, 2015 at 2:35 pm #2144501
    deathy
    Participant

    Though beefing up KeyFinder is still one of the things I intend to get around to eventually.

    February 20, 2015 at 7:00 pm #2144731
    Dj R1tam
    Participant

    Awesome sir! Thanks for taking the time! Always psyched to read your Q&A 😀 thank you to everyone, for that matter! Always appreciate feedback from my fellow dj’s 🙂

    February 20, 2015 at 7:18 pm #2144741
    Dj R1tam
    Participant

    Thank you Dj Vintage and Deathy for the info. Appreciate you taking the time to respond! I actually had mixed in the key before tractor released its key detection future. So I thought hey this is really nice now I have one plus program I need to install. I believe the dJ TechTools even did a review on the five major key detection software’s. And tractor was in the 70-75 percentile, when it comes to accurately analyzing small batches of tracks.

    I could tell you It didn’t work hundred percent of the time. It’s seemingly operates somewhat accurately. But when compared to mixed in key. The results are just way off. Like I posted before.. Traktor saying 1m or 1d and mixed in key showing a result of 8a or 8b. I just started i’m getting used to mix in key. When tractor came out with it so my confusion may be due to overlapping/contradicting “harmonic mixing”rules, each program supplies simply Based on the numbers I see. if that makes sense

    February 20, 2015 at 10:27 pm #2144811
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hey Rayanaldo, I thikn you have been reading a different comparison than the one in the link a few answers above this one.

    Here’s a little cut and paste from that link:

    Major/Minor Triad Test: 11/24 – perhaps it requires more context than our simple tracks?
    # of correctly analyzed tracks (vs human consensus): 33 (54%)
    # of Major / Minor Misreads: 9
    # of results off by a single Fifth: 11

    So, nowhere near the 70-75 percentile, it gets almost HALF of everything wrong.
    Mixed in Key on the other hand gets it right about 95% of the time.

    So, just remove the key and add the key text file in Traktor, run all your tracks through mixed in key (if you haven’t already), make sure MiK writes the key in the key text field and presto!

    February 21, 2015 at 3:34 am #2144861
    Dj R1tam
    Participant

    Whoops you’re right vintage. I was looking at the numbers wrong definitely not percentage. LOL but awesome tip! I will definitely do so. I appreciate the help! Also wasn’t sure if a lot of the beginner DJs might have issues when deciding which to use considering everyone thinks Google will give them the answer and when it doesn’t they freak out. Haha that’s what Great websites, forums like these and their great members, are for! 😀

    September 21, 2016 at 1:44 am #2448521
    Noiseclutch
    Participant

    Hi guys! I got some questions about the matter as well and since traktor already updated to 2.6.7 i ask you wht version of mixed in key should i get to this version of traktor.

    Thank you for the info above and for the time ofc. cheers

    September 21, 2016 at 5:19 pm #2448931
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Thanks for reviving a topic from over a year and a half ago … 😀

    You should always get the latest version of MiK. Version 8 has just been released. Head over to our main site and read the release article.

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