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  • #18866
    Sumir
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    Hey Andrew,
    I went through this same issue earlier this year,and have not found a solution yet. I’ve always used vinyl, but I travel for extended periods overseas these years, and was therefor searching for an alternative to my technics to use on the road. Phil, the creator of this site gave me a couple suggestions. Frankly I have not purchased the item he suggested, because my next travel date has been delayed for some months. But even still, I can not imagine anything coming close to the adjustment control that one gets on the Technics. Never have mixed on a CDJ , so I really can’t speak much on that end.. But I don’t think it’s the range of pitch adjustment that is the issue, I’ve come across a few models that go +/- 6 . Rather the issue is in the percentage of adjustment one can make , on the techs. it is .01% , where was I’ve noticed on a software I played with you could not get it tighter than 1/2% !. It was my first question when I joined this site, and actually the main reason I signed up. But not a single person had any idea what I was talking about. Welcome to the age of more DJ’s and little-zero skill 😉

    #18867
    synthet1c
    Member

    it all comes down to how many steps of midi you have on your fader… standard 7bit midi has 128 steps so with a little math you can figure out the pitch resolution… at 6% pitch range for a 100bpm track you have a resolution of 0.009375bpm, how you work it out is at 6% pitch range you actually use double that in the range because its 6% + 6% = 12% then divide by the amount of midi steps on the fader 128…. The last variable you need to account for is the actual bpm of the track, that is the result for 100bpm if you want say 128 bpm you times it by 128% or 1.28 in decimal

    12 / 128 = 0.09375 = 0.009375bpm resolution @ 100bpm

    I’m not very good at maths so not sure why but you have to move the decimal over to get the result… lol

    12 / 128 x 1.28 = 0.12 = 0.012bpm resolution @ 128bpm

    14 bit midi sends double the messages as 7bit so instead of 128 messages it sends 256 that means you get the same resolution at double the pitch range

    24 / 256 x 1.28 = 0.12 = 0.012bpm resolution @ 128bpm

    If i were you I would wait for the reloop terminal series to be released and see how they feel to use as they are made of metal and have 100mm long pitch faders…

    btw I could be wrong about the formula… as i said im not great at maths, hope it helps you to understand how it works though 😉

    #1003621
    synthet1c
    Member

    actually I think this is wrong… this is the numbers i came up with in the past that actually work for changing the bpm 0.01%… then again this is for a button not a slider… :confused: I HATE MATHS!!!

    100% – 0.0000390625
    50% – 0.000078125
    25% – 0.00015625
    12% – 0.0032552083333333333333333333333333
    6% – 0.0065104166666666666666666666666667

    http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/151662/General_Discussion/how_to_scale_a_parameter_with_VDJ_script_.html

    #18876
    Phil Morse
    Keymaster

    We always nowadays try and report back on how fine pitch is in our reviews: we go for 1/100th of a BPM as our benchmark. Many controllers do that.

    #18941
    AndewBoast
    Participant

    Thanks for ur comments guys. Real sound knowledge here.

    So may well wait for the reloop series to land, hadn’t heard of em before to be honest.

    http://www.reloopdj.com/product_info.php/info/p735_Reloop-Terminal-Mix-4.html/XTCsid/a759f09f999522b66fd617e3be4696c4

    The fact that this series has large jog wheels is a massive bonus. S4 cant compete here.
    Ive no doubt in the years to come that controllers will very much up their game in all departments.
    Who knows what N.I will come out with next.

    #18950
    Rick
    Participant

    AndewBoast, post: 19045, member: 1984 wrote: Thanks for ur comments guys. Real sound knowledge here.

    So may well wait for the reloop series to land, hadn’t heard of em before to be honest.

    http://www.reloopdj.com/product_info.php/info/p735_Reloop-Terminal-Mix-4.html/XTCsid/a759f09f999522b66fd617e3be4696c4

    The fact that this series has large jog wheels is a massive bonus. S4 cant compete here.
    Ive no doubt in the years to come that controllers will very much up their game in all departments.
    Who knows what N.I will come out with next.

    Why do you want large jogs?

    #18955
    AndewBoast
    Participant

    …Just used to them that’s all.

    #18957
    Rick
    Participant

    AndewBoast, post: 19059, member: 1984 wrote: …Just used to them that’s all.

    OK, cool.

    You said you got experience with playing on an S4, out of curiosity are these jogs no good for you?

    I have the S4 and was a bit dubious about the size of the jogs, but after using it for a while I realised they were fine for me.

    #19085
    Shishdisma
    Member

    If you dont mind external mixing, the Numark V7(s) is exactly what you’re looking for. It’s got a stupidly high res and sensitive pitch fader, and a motorized platter for fun. It’s also an Itch controller, so software issues are pretty much nonexistent.

    #19161
    groovemixer
    Member

    Set at +/- 8% I could nudge the S4 BPM to .01 of a beat which is great for accurate matching. I just sold my S4 for a VCI 400 EG edition and now the fader is giving me .16!! So i just mapped one of the encoders to adjust the tempo by .01 and its working great.

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