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February 25, 2013 at 8:27 am #37143
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If you have special questions than feel free to ask them here.February 26, 2013 at 6:54 am #37192DJcRave
ParticipantBeatmatch
simple really.
i also learned about looking at the seconds..
electro-house 128bpm usually “drops” at 1:00 or 1:07 and the second drop is usually around 2:30 (dont really pay attention anymore) how i mix it is i start the second song at the start of the second drop and usually(not all the time) it’ll transition well either from the end of the drop to the beginning of the break down (song 2) or end of the drop to the start of the drop (song 2) depending on the key…
trap and dubstep are a little harder..
but the key thing to remember is beat match.. usually 16 bars/counts then its something different a drop is usually 32 bars
a breakdown is usually 8 bars and intro can be from 32-64 bars…this is house/electroFebruary 26, 2013 at 2:31 pm #37221DJ Johnny Fantastic
MemberDJcRave, post: 37348, member: 3862 wrote: Beatmatch
simple really.
i also learned about looking at the seconds..
electro-house 128bpm usually “drops” at 1:00 or 1:07 and the second drop is usually around 2:30 (dont really pay attention anymore) how i mix it is i start the second song at the start of the second drop and usually(not all the time) it’ll transition well either from the end of the drop to the beginning of the break down (song 2) or end of the drop to the start of the drop (song 2) depending on the key…
trap and dubstep are a little harder..
but the key thing to remember is beat match.. usually 16 bars/counts then its something different a drop is usually 32 bars
a breakdown is usually 8 bars and intro can be from 32-64 bars…this is house/electroBasically this if you are doing house/electro. The easiest way to start is by endzone mixing. Most house has a 32 bar intro and a 32 bar outro (roughly 1minute long each). Start the second song at the start of the first songs outro. You can usually even see where it starts/ends by looking at the waveform. I started by doing just endzone mixing. Drop the bass out on the second track and 16 bars in, switch them. It’s not the most “exciting” mixing ever but it gives you a nice feel for how things flow together and to just get the basics of blending two songs together, playing with the eq, effects, etc. After getting proficient with endzone mixing, you can switch to doing new things like dropping during a chorus, during a drop, loop rolls, quick cuts etc.
February 27, 2013 at 12:37 am #37251Mitch Hambling
ParticipantDJ Johnny Fantastic, post: 37377, member: 1322 wrote: Basically this if you are doing house/electro. The easiest way to start is by endzone mixing. Most house has a 32 bar intro and a 32 bar outro (roughly 1minute long each). Start the second song at the start of the first songs outro. You can usually even see where it starts/ends by looking at the waveform. I started by doing just endzone mixing. Drop the bass out on the second track and 16 bars in, switch them. It’s not the most “exciting” mixing ever but it gives you a nice feel for how things flow together and to just get the basics of blending two songs together, playing with the eq, effects, etc. After getting proficient with endzone mixing, you can switch to doing new things like dropping during a chorus, during a drop, loop rolls, quick cuts etc.
Yes this is what I have been doing, if you take a look at my electro mix, what ive been doing is mixing track 2’s breakdown/outro with track 1’s breakdown/intro and it flows nicely, but it isnt as much mixing as just playing one song after another in my point of view. same with trap, trap works well with mixing intros and outros and what not together. but occasionally i get lucky and get a nice sounding mix of two songs kicks and snares mixing and basslines and what not, but not always. I also have the problem of when i mix, i dont know when to take out/bring in tracks filters.
February 27, 2013 at 3:48 am #37253DJcRave
ParticipantHere’s some info that was given to me a while back when I was first DJing from one of the top DJs in the DFW area:
Alright so basically the general idea to drop a track is on the last drop. Normally songs have about a 30second intro and outro. So they typically lineup and produces a smooth transition. Now honestly your welcome to drop it anytime but since its on a 4 count, drop the 2nd track on the 1st count
Alot of your transitions you had beats clashing on top of one another. Just need to work on your beat matching a little more, making sure you cut the bass out more so you dont hear them slamming against each other.
Volume is a simple fix, when your bringing in the track that you plan on mixing, need to pay attention to the levels
Here’s a easy tutorial on how to work on mixing:
Cut the bass to the track your bringing in, let it rid halfway then slowly bring it up to level 8 (out of 10). Have the High n mid cut half down so maybe around the 9/10pm mark if that makes sense.
Then slowly trade the highs in each song, doing the same with mids, n slowly start doing the same with bass as the last thing.
So the ideal is to have the bass of the 1st song w/ minor highs or mids then the 2nd song with highs/mids n slowly the basses faded for one another to produce a smooth mix of 1 sound to another.March 2, 2013 at 12:47 am #37426Mitch Hambling
ParticipantDJcRave, post: 37409, member: 3862 wrote: Here’s some info that was given to me a while back when I was first DJing from one of the top DJs in the DFW area:
Alright so basically the general idea to drop a track is on the last drop. Normally songs have about a 30second intro and outro. So they typically lineup and produces a smooth transition. Now honestly your welcome to drop it anytime but since its on a 4 count, drop the 2nd track on the 1st count
Alot of your transitions you had beats clashing on top of one another. Just need to work on your beat matching a little more, making sure you cut the bass out more so you dont hear them slamming against each other.
Volume is a simple fix, when your bringing in the track that you plan on mixing, need to pay attention to the levels
Here’s a easy tutorial on how to work on mixing:
Cut the bass to the track your bringing in, let it rid halfway then slowly bring it up to level 8 (out of 10). Have the High n mid cut half down so maybe around the 9/10pm mark if that makes sense.
Then slowly trade the highs in each song, doing the same with mids, n slowly start doing the same with bass as the last thing.
So the ideal is to have the bass of the 1st song w/ minor highs or mids then the 2nd song with highs/mids n slowly the basses faded for one another to produce a smooth mix of 1 sound to another.what would your favorite option be that sounds the best.
also what happens when your mixing and you come across an awful transition. like you have track A ready to play and you bring in track B and it just sounds awful, how do you get out of those situations
March 2, 2013 at 10:29 am #37436Sunjalo
MemberHey Mitch wassup 🙂
So u can have things all beatmatched great – however when you start your mix things can still sound like they clashing and not good together, this is cause they are out of phase….
1 thing you need to get right is the phases – if you get mixing in phase correct, you can start playing around hiw you like and its not that hard once you got it down…
Electronic music is 4/4 time which means 4 beats to a bar – simple really once u get used to it. Then there are 8 bars in a phase, this means 32 beats per phase – if you bring in any song at the start of a phase on the playing tracks start of a phase – where 1st beat of the phase matches track 2’s first beat of its phase (at beginning/middle/end/anypart) of a tune, they are going to make musical sense and sound good, usually u dont want to bang in one tune in its peak while another tine is going into a breakdown (however it can work)
Get your phases right and you can pretty much mix tracks when/how you like 😀
You can hear changes (often big changes sometimes a little more subtle) in all tracks when the phase changes…
Here’s an exercise to do:
Listen to any tune you have – count the beats from the very first one like so: 1-2-3-4, then 2-2-3-4, then 3-2-3-4 (you are now counting beats and bars – bar count is the 1st number in your beat count), carry on and when you get to 8-2-3-4 listen to the changes in the music on the next bar which is a new phase (on count 9-2-3-4), however here i count again from 1-2-3-4 as it is the start of a new phaseHope this helps ^^
March 2, 2013 at 11:00 am #37439softcore
Member“Sounds awful” doesnt clarify things!
All the posts have been focused on timing – mixing two tracks that are out of tune or plain and simply dont “fit” together (stylistically, aesthetically, energretically) will sound awful no matter how perfectly in sync they are.
March 2, 2013 at 9:28 pm #37467Mitch Hambling
Participantsoftcore, post: 37595, member: 243 wrote: “Sounds awful” doesnt clarify things!
All the posts have been focused on timing – mixing two tracks that are out of tune or plain and simply dont “fit” together (stylistically, aesthetically, energretically) will sound awful no matter how perfectly in sync they are.
sounds awful clarify’s everything! lol. what i mean is it just does not sound right/in the right place. Even if both songs ares same/around the same bpm and have the same/around the same key. they sound off.
March 3, 2013 at 4:46 am #37488niu02kevin
ParticipantIf it sounds like crap, you gotta get out of it. I’d say 3 out of 4 times, I don’t even need my headphones. I know I like to be surprised on the dance floor so I don’t do too many smooth/long transitions. I’m usually hitting the play/pause button simultaneously at the start/end of a breakdown. Now, you should know it sounds bad as you’re cueing, but, if something happens, I’ve been told you can: backspin the track you’re getting out of right at the 8.2….3…..4(stop) of the track you’re getting into, or drop the highs via the filter on the outgoing track so the bass lines and kicks, which are beatmatched of course, are still there allowing you to kind of gradually turn down the horrid combo you’ve created. when the next phrase starts on the incoming track, turn it off. Again, you should KNOW your songs, inside and out. With cueing you gotta know if you’re about to make a mistake. Quickly move to the next track in your library with appropriate key/BPM/mood, hit your cue point. I know even when just practicing, at times, I’ll be like,”Eww, I’m not feeling this.” There is no shame in playing only 16 bars of a song before moving right into the next one. Sometimes I’ll even jump back and forth trading drops and breakdowns between 2 or 3 tracks, then play em together if it sounds right. I think, not getting freaked out is probably key. You’re going to make mistakes.
March 3, 2013 at 10:22 am #37493Sunjalo
Memberwhat i mean is it just does not sound right/in the right place. Even if both songs ares same/around the same bpm and have the same/around the same key. they sound off.
as mentioned – sounds like you are out of phase
March 3, 2013 at 8:12 pm #37519Mitch Hambling
ParticipantNow, you should know it sounds bad as you’re cueing
well yea, when your beat matching two songs together, you can catch it, but when your transitioning between two breakdowns or an outro to and intro you cant necessarily tell if its going to sound good
March 5, 2013 at 4:46 am #37581DJcRave
ParticipantAlso, make sure the songs are in “key” (on the same key note or note compatible with it)
you can use Mixed in Key or Rekord BoxMarch 5, 2013 at 5:03 am #37584Mitch Hambling
ParticipantDJcRave, post: 37737, member: 3862 wrote: Also, make sure the songs are in “key” (on the same key note or note compatible with it)
you can use Mixed in Key or Rekord Boxyes, i use mixed in key for my mixing, and it does help quite a bit, but some songs with complete different keys can still mix
March 9, 2013 at 8:06 pm #37795Mitch Hambling
Participantignore anything past 8 minutes cuz i wasnt really doing anything. but how do these first transitions sound? i think the first two songs were out of key, but dont remember. I cant tell if this sounds good to me, it sounds alright but there seems to be something missing http://www.hulkshare.com/ftzmogzlil8g
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