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  • November 17, 2012 at 3:30 pm #32041
    Maximlee
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    Soren, post: 32186, member: 4369 wrote: First lets me just say that im not planning on doing any of this myself, I am just curious about legal rights to music and so on. I believe I have seen different mixes around where people charge like $0.99 or $1.99 for it, but is this ok for a dj to buy an original version of a song, mix it up and then sell it and will some of the money then go to the original producer? I mean if I buy an original version then it’s illegal to share, but if I mix it to a club version, then I can distribute freely or even sell for own profit?!?! And how much do you need to alter the original to call it a mix/remix?!

    On the same note. If you take two versions of a song, lets say a funky remix and a club mix, and then mix them together. First off, would this be a mix, remix or a brand new version that you can call whatever or should this kind of mixing just be kept to the dance floor and never be distributed/shared!? If shared, surely someone might hear that there are parts of let’s say the funky version in your mix, so should you call your mix something like funky club re remix to prevent someone to accuse you of stealing from other mix’es or is this generally accepted between djs, as long as its not a lot?! I’m not sure it’s clear what I’m trying to ask about. Lets say you sample a beat from a Carl cox production. If you use just a little in your own mix, can you then call it your own or will you definately have to call it something like Carl cox rererereremix ?! Will you have to get and buy permission from Carl cox .

    I’m sure there is a logic explanation to all of this, and ofcourse i can start googling it, but I thought it would be a good discussion for the forum. I hope someone will enlighten me ;-).

    are you sure your not thinking of professsional remixes were artists get paid to remix a track? it sounds like your really new to dance music? i think you need to do alittle googling and then come back to the forum with a better structured topic… check out two links below for alittle insight on what your tryin to describe…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remix
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleg

    Peace

    November 17, 2012 at 3:32 pm #32043
    aaron altar
    Participant

    To be perfectly honest I’m a little hung over this morning so I’m not really following the second paragraph too well but I’ll try to answer anyway. The original artist holds all rights to a song whether it is remixed or not. You must have their permission in order to release it in any commercial sense. The second paragraph sounds like you’re talking about mash-ups. The same rule applies, you must have the permission of the artists in order to release that in any commercial sense. Now when sampling portions of a track I believe there is some sort of litmus test regarding the “originality” of the portion sampled but you’ll have to look into that more on your own. Two more points: 1. Sometimes labels own the rights to the music and not the artist and 2. Don’t ever ask Carl Cox if you can sell something of his as a digital download, he’ll hunt you down and kill you (much love to Carl, I’m just kidding).

    November 17, 2012 at 4:57 pm #32055
    Soren
    Member

    Thx for.the answers. I am not planning to commercially mix or remix anything, I was just wondering. I am completely new here and I thought this forum were for newbies as well as unstructured questions. The questions just popped into my mind as I was browsing on the forum. Will google from now on.

    November 17, 2012 at 5:04 pm #32056
    aaron altar
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    You’re fine. Djing and copyright issues are a complex and frequently misunderstood issue. Welcome to the forum.

    November 17, 2012 at 6:12 pm #32066
    Maximlee
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    Soren, post: 32211, member: 4369 wrote: Thx for.the answers. I am not planning to commercially mix or remix anything, I was just wondering. I am completely new here and I thought this forum were for newbies as well as unstructured questions. The questions just popped into my mind as I was browsing on the forum. Will google from now on.

    was alittle harsh… welcome to forum 🙂

    November 17, 2012 at 6:14 pm #32067
    Lordamercy
    Participant

    Bootlegs are illegal but people sell them all the time. Theres even sites that near enough sell just bootlegs “bigtunesmp3” anyone?

    November 17, 2012 at 6:16 pm #32068
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I never understood why people sold remixes that are not approved by the originator with a split income. Is is pretty much theft in my eyes. It’s like taking the best parts of Monty Python and re-editing them with a color plug-in and re-selling it as your own work…

    November 17, 2012 at 6:19 pm #32071
    Lordamercy
    Participant

    Its theft but bootlegs have been around for as long as I can remember. Usually they are the mixes that people want to hear as well.

    November 17, 2012 at 6:30 pm #32073
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Well, I tolerate free remixes as long as the remixer tells who the original track came from. But to try to make money out of it, sigh…

    November 19, 2012 at 3:40 am #32136
    shr3dder
    Member

    rjwhite41, post: 32199, member: 2565 wrote: Now when sampling portions of a track I believe there is some sort of litmus test regarding the “originality” of the portion sampled but you’ll have to look into that more on your own.

    I’m pretty sure every sample needs to be cleared, even if its indistinguishable from the original (if you’re honest enough to own up to it…)

    That’s if you plan on commercially releasing a tune.

    November 19, 2012 at 8:15 am #32152
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Guys sorry but had to delete a few posts.
    You can discuss legal things freely and of course we encourage freedom of speech but please follow our guidelines and especially think about 2 things:

    1. Be polite, we are a high quality forum and want it to stay that way. So please watch your language and respect other opinions
    2. This forum does not and never will encourage illegal acts, so linking to pages that support illegal products will be deleted immediately and hence the user will get a warning

    You can discuss bootlegs how they are etc. but please do not advise to go down that road, this is something we cannot do and a line we will not cross.
    Thanks for your understanding and sorry for any inconvenience that some deletion may have caused.

    November 19, 2012 at 4:03 pm #32189
    aaron altar
    Participant

    The test for infringement is whether the sample is “substantially similar” to the original.

    I pulled the above quote from one of the sources below. Both links provide easy to understand explanations of copyright laws as it pertains to musicians. There were quite a few lawsuits in the 80s when sampling in hip hop started to infringe upon other musicians rights. Anyone remember Vanilla Ice’s “Ice, Ice Baby” hook?

    http://www.gcglaw.com/resources/entertainment/music-copyright.html
    http://www.copynot.org/Pages/Music sampling.htm

    November 22, 2012 at 5:28 pm #32379
    Stephen Brown
    Member

    You dont own any right to dj with tracks, anymore than you would own the rights to charge admission for watching a dvd you bought

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