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    Alex Moschopoulos
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    Look at it this way, how many female singers/popstars can “make it” by not taking off most of their clothes?

    How many new-generation “superstar DJs” (male and female) are NOT “good looking”?

    It’s the unfortunate downside of the music industry. Ever since the dawn of music video, popstars have been judged more on how they look and what they can sell over any actual “talent” they might have. Look how “manufactured” they are now.

    In the club/DJ world, women have been and are still treated as a commodity. For the patron, she is more or less treated like a hooker. A hot piece of flesh brought in under the royal treatment to tempt men to spend money on them…all in the hopes of getting laid. Why do you think clubs will give priority access to good-looking women?

    When it comes to female DJs, too many clubs only think of image over substance. They dream of some hot looking girl in the booth over the typical men who show up to play. It sucks for women who want to be taken seriously, as they are pressured to be good looking and sexual in order to get ahead.

    You can take solace though in that you don’t see any of these “stripper DJs” going beyond the trendy/trashy club. It’s not like we’re seeing them headline UMF or something. The few females who do get in deserve it (in my book). They didn’t sell themselves short and showed they can play and produce…not just “look pretty”.

    Looking at things more “macro”, I’ve noticed that ever since 2007 or 2008, political correctness has been under fire. I see deep-seeded racism, sexism, ageism, and other prejudices brought into the spotlight. It’s become almost “fashionable” in some circles (if you’re a white male) to be racist and misogynistic. Kind of a sad state of affairs if you ask me.

    #2048578
    Lamid45G
    Participant

    This trend been going around for a longest in my local area,

    Its hard enough for us DJ to get a bookings these days, in addition to the clubs only want to book “pretty” female DJ, and ow yea we also labelled them with “FDJ” short for of course Female DJ, with some western name hooks to make them look like they a foreigner, so it will sell more, so something like “FDJ Sexy Alexxa”

    Another name we came out with is “TDJ”, which is for ya know, *cough Topless DJ,
    So yeah ladies and gents please give it up for TDJ Luxcious Lexy !

    Its a very sad state indeed for our local scene…

    Wish there is a way to combat these..I’m all ears

    #2048611
    Xavier D
    Participant

    I get it, sex sells, but I think real female DJs had to fight hard for respect behind the decks

    Unfortunately this is not something that applies only for dance music industry. Not even only music industry at all, but pretty much everywhere. And it’s sad to know that (at least where I live) clubs organize events sometimes where, if the girl comes semi-naked (don’t know how to explain it in an english word sorry haha) she has a free drink and stuff…

    But is this something we, clubbers and DJs, can fight ? Of course I (and a lot of people) find it very annoying that girls have to show their boobs if they want anything but it’s hard to fight it…

    (I’d make a 1000 words post about it if I could, sad thing I’m french)

    #2048633
    AuralCandy.Net
    Participant

    Eliah,

    While I agree that the phenomenons you mentioned are somewhat undesirable, or at the very least negative, I have a problem with your frequent use of the word “misogyny”. By definition misogyny means “hatred towards women” and to me that suggest you are saying that men are exclusively guilty to all the aforementioned negative phenomenons. Having said that, despite the whiff of white-knightishm and moral superiority I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that it wasn’t what you intended to say.

    We’ve already established that sex sells. Beautiful face and body just draws more attention, that’s how it goes. However, I wouldn’t call it *hatred* towards women, more like sincere admiration even. And here’s the kicker, according to my subjective experience, beauty/sexiness in marketing material attracts BOTH men and women. Not sure why that is…I guess it’s a matter of “guys want to have them, girls want to be them”.

    It’s an age old mystery why there are so few female DJs. However, I think it’s a bit far-fetched to say that women HAVE to resort to becoming mere sex objects to get anywhere. It’s not that different from guys really. Both genders can resort to sell-out tactics, women just happen to have few more of them at their disposal. Building fame and career as DJ is hard because there is so much competition – that goes for both genders. Granted, it’s harder to do it sky skill and sweat of your brow alone.

    To me the real question is, why do so many female DJs take the easy road and demean themselves into pieces of meat? It’s a conscious decision on their part, not some male-dictated no-other-options scenario.

    #2048675
    Eliah Holiday
    Participant

    Actually I was unsure if the word “misogyny” was correct to use in this reference. I went by this definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny, which included “denigration of women, and sexual objectification of women.” If I used the word incorrectly that was not my intention. I’m merely stating my opinion as a human being. I have good friends who are both female and professional DJs who agree with my stance. I suspect if my sense of right and wrong is way off the mark I’ll simply be ignored and people will go on as they have been. I hope the fact that I’m male doesn’t overshadow the issue I am trying to communicate.

    Worth noting that certainly when women first started to DJ there was a misogynistic backlash from men. I know because I remember the instant disrespect a lot of female DJs got from their male counterparts as well as a portion of the male audience. This is going back some years though, but it was real. I’ll also note that the initial wave of female DJs didn’t use their bodies to sell the idea of them DJing professionally.

    Perhaps I have no say in this matter because I’m male, but I think it’s more a male problem than anything else.

    #2048691
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Let’s face it … Paris Hilton isn’t doing much for (the advancement of) female DJs either …

    #2048718
    AuralCandy.Net
    Participant

    Eliah,

    Yeah, I get what you’re saying. However, I think there’s two overlapping topics at hand here.

    1) General gender-based hatred toward female DJs.

    This I agree is mostly a male problem. If people are hostile towards a fellow (no pun intended) solely because their gender, they’re undeniably being huge jerks. Then again, this is only part of the bigger jerk-problem in the scene; there seems to be a HUGE number of DJs who find the most ridiculous reasons to hate, diss and look down their fellow DJs. Gear purism, genre purism, the age-old sync debate – you name it.

    2) Sexualization and objectification of female DJs

    Some women choose to take the easy road and choose to present themselves as little more than hot piece of ass. This is a conscious choice on their part. That IMHO it not mens fault. Everybody is free to make whatever career decision they deem necessary. But here’s the thing…if one makes the career decision to, well, basically exploit the way men’s brains are hardwire, they IMHO should take the negative implications that come with it. To put it bluntly, if you look and act like a bimbo I’m going to make the assumption you’re a bimbo and I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

    #2048739
    Eliah Holiday
    Participant

    Right. Some now veteran Female DJs who fought hard and earned respect did so on their skills not their bodies. Even today though their popularity is dwarfed by the rise of the female DJ who has supermodel looks and is willing to show some skin. Club and event promoters look at the maximum $$$ they can draw and so it seems common practise now to have the novelty of a “hot chick” DJ in the line-up. Why, because men will pay to see that novelty. Same thing where you have male superstar DJs on the decks and half naked females pole dancing on stage as part of the show.

    Of course I understand it’s all part of a modern day western culture that has taken superficial values to heights once reserved for deities. Where potentially a DJ’s image, a DJ’s marketability, has become as or more important to said DJ’s success as actual DJing skills. At any rate, from the top levels of the industry where change is most likely to happen it appears no one really cares about this phenomenon.

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