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  • #2292191
    DJ Vintage
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    My position on no-name no-budget speakers and amps is well known as is my opinion on most things Behringer, so we won’t go into that. Let’s say that even working flawlessly, chances are you will get semi-decent sound out of this setup at best.

    Had you come to us BEFORE buying gear, we would have gladly explained why it would have been way better to get some active speakers (even used single 10″ active PA speakers from a serious brand would have given you better features and way better sound). But alas we have to work with what you have now.

    On to the more pressing problems of wiring.

    I assume that when you hot-wired your speakers because the connectors broke (no comment! – although the fact that these speakers come with only a simple home stereo speaker connector tells all) you did NOT bypass the (passive) crossover?

    If you did, that could explain the odd sound coming out of the speakers. Although on speakers of this level it is very well possible that the high frequency speakers are connected in a rather rudimentary way and they don’t have an actual proper crossover.

    Then you say you go from 2x RCA (controller master output?) to 1x 3.5mm and then with a 3.5 to 6mm jack adapter into the amp? Effectively summing a stereo input to a mono speaker input. Are you getting sound out of both speakers that way? Are you using the bridged mode of the amp in that case?

    The way to connect this up properly is with a cable like this:
    http://www.bax-shop.nl/jack-rca/procab-cab631-2x-jack-male-2x-rca-1.50-meter/product-details.html#productinformatie

    One RCA per channel, one Jack per channel.

    This should work, although there will be a signal level mismatch between the RCA and the balanced inputs on the amp. You might have to turn the gain on the amps up higher than you would if you were running balanced (Jack or XLR) from the controller. This controller unfortunately has no balanced outputs, like the iDJ Pro did.

    Then for gain staging.
    First you want to set your channel gain (while playing a louder part of a track) to 0dB, then you want to set your master gain to 0dB as well. Next turn up up your amps to a 0dB setting/marking or as high as you like them.
    The mic input on the front of the MTP3 has it’s own gain button. If you did the previous things right, turning up the mic gain should now allow you to get a mic level that is as high or higher as that of the playing track.

    Hope that helps.

    #2292231
    bob6397
    Participant

    Your Mic should be fine..

    I happen to use an XM8500 as my own mic – it is a very effective SM58 copy. It sounds decent with a good amount of EQ and the polar pattern is good.

    It’s also quite a hot mic so loads of gain shouldn’t be needed…

    Furthermore – I agree with everything Vintage has said above.. On top of that, I would consider getting either a DI box or a small PA mixer so you have a balanced output to your speakers – but there will only be a point in doing that when you upgrade your speakers..

    bob6397

    #2292281
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Right, when you upgrade to active speakers, you do need balanced outputs to go the distance.

    #2292431
    DJ Batgrrl
    Participant

    I’m obviously very naive about speakers. I bought everything off of amazon. I can still return the speaker and amp. What kind of setup would you suggest that won’t break the bank? Right now I just play at small parties and fundraisers and that type of thing. I don’t have to have something that will blow people away or anything, just sound decent and be portable.

    #2292461
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    I would be looking into the new 2.1 setups. Although it looks like a subwoofer with two satellites, effectively they are a woofer (regular low end speaker – not as low as sub) and two satellites.

    The satellites would be 4″- 8″ or even bigger, but in the newer versions they are being replaced by small array speakers. The latter being technically more difficult to build and a more recent development, so more expensive.

    You could look at stuff like LD Systems Dave, HK Audio Nano, LD Systems MAUI (array) for example.

    Several brands now sell them. And they sound bigger than they look. Also they are highly portable and take little floor room when playing house parties and such.

    Alternatively or if your budget doesn’t allow for those, a set of (used) brand 10″ active PA speakers will do. Brands like QSC, Mackie, TurboSound, Yamaha, Electrovoice (EV) and I am sure others will add to the list.

    If possible find a place that has more than one system on display and listen to them. Trust your ears!

    #2292471
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    I would be looking into the new 2.1 setups. Although it looks like a subwoofer with two satellites, effectively they are a woofer (regular low end speaker – not as low as sub) and two satellites.

    The satellites would be 4″- 8″ or even bigger, but in the newer versions they are being replaced by small array speakers. The latter being technically more difficult to build and a more recent development, so more expensive.

    You could look at stuff like LD Systems Dave, HK Audio Nano, LD Systems MAUI (array) for example.

    Several brands now sell them. And they sound bigger than they look. Also they are highly portable and take little floor room when playing house parties and such.

    Alternatively or if your budget doesn’t allow for those, a set of (used) brand 10″ active PA speakers will do. Brands like QSC, Mackie, TurboSound, Yamaha, Electrovoice (EV) and I am sure others will add to the list.

    If possible find a place that has more than one system on display and listen to them. Trust your ears!

    #2292481
    DJ Batgrrl
    Participant

    So, no more buying off Amazon then! lol Thanks for your input!

    #2292491
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    You’re welcome & good luck with your choice!

    #2292521
    DJ Batgrrl
    Participant

    How are Rockville speakers? I found Rockville Power Gig RPG8 8″ Powered Active 800 Watt 2-Way DJ PA Speakers, set of 2 with cables and tripods for $245.

    #2292531
    bob6397
    Participant

    Unless they are made by one of the brands below, I wouldn’t bother. And you won’t get a decent pair of speakers new for less than £450…

    Brands you can trust:

    Alto (TS series are good on a budget)
    Mackie
    Yamaha
    QSC
    FBT
    RCF
    dB Technologies
    LD Systems
    HK Audio
    JBL

    Also, anything that says “Brilliant/Professional DJ Speaker” in the title probably isn’t..

    I would look at either used LD Systems Dave/Maui models, or a pair of Alto TS112’s – or the TS115’s if you can stretch slightly..

    You really do get what you pay for – why do you think festivals aren’t run from £100 active “Brilliant Awesome Best Ever DJ Speakers”??? They use brands like Martin Audio/Ohm/Logic Systems etc.. A little upmarket for the average DJ.. 🙂

    bob6397

    #2292561
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Yeah … or stuff like L’Acoustics or Fohnn. 21″ subs at 20k a piece LOL.

    LD Systems Dave 8 XS are 419 Euro. I think that is about as low as you’ll be able to find anything.
    The 10″ version is about 529 Euro. Personally I’d pick the 10 over the 8s for 100 euro more, but that is personal.

    #2292581
    DJ Batgrrl
    Participant

    I definitely won’t be buying any of those 20k speakers anytime soon! I found a pair of Alto TX15 600-Watt 15-Inch 2-Way Active Loudspeakers with Stands and Cables for $479. Would those be good?

    #2292891
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Bob seems to know a lot about the Alto’s. Not sure how the TX compare to the TS.

    #2293961
    bob6397
    Participant

    I’m afraid I don’t know the difference between the 2 – I hear only good things about the TS series though 🙂

    bob6397

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