M-Audio Studiophile AV40 vs BX5 D2
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August 27, 2013 at 7:02 am #43538
Terry_42
KeymasterWell I consider both options not useful for production. Both are not flat response monitors.
For simply listening to your mix the AV40s are fine, if you want to really produce songs you need real monitors. Where I consider the KRK Rockit 6 the cheapest entry monitor that is usable for production.August 27, 2013 at 10:29 am #43549Fic
ParticipantI have AV40s and I can tell you that they are pretty decent ones for my mixing sessions, on the other side production wise they lack a bit of bass so you will need additional sub or decent monitor headphones to fix that. I think that you can produce well on any decent speaker if you know negative side of them and how to fix that. To prove that one I can just say that I was in contact with Arnej(one of the big names in trance scene) and can conform that he’s been using AV40s till 2012 (he is in top production since 2004). So in that long period he produced high quality tracks with these cheap monitors.
Know negative sides of your monitors and how to fix them!
August 27, 2013 at 11:26 am #43556Terry_42
KeymasterI disagree. If you ever mean to make really good tracks and not having to think about “what do I need to adjust that it sounds wrong on my bad monitors, but good as a production” is heaven.
Of course if you only want to produce for your own pleasure or leisure time and maybe have a listen and play to some friends (who are inclined to tell you it is good) then by all means that is OK.If you ever intend to make a production meant for more, aka giving it to a high pitch promoter, agency,… then expect to get ditched after they listen to the first 4 seconds of the track.
I also think this is a huge thing why in our mixes section of the forum, most original productions I would consider as raw demos (about 90% actually) and not really mastered to show them to someone. So good enough to post and have production fails shown, but nowhere near mastered to play even at a gig.August 27, 2013 at 12:05 pm #43562DJ Vintage
ModeratorLet’s face it guys, our coveted KRK Rokit series are really, really, really considered the rock bottom of monitor speakers … that are acceptable for any serious kind of sound production or mixing work. Any serious sound engineer will agree that, for the price, they sound good enough for home studio use.
You will NEVER find speakers of that quality (or price range for that matter) in any serious sound studio environment.
There you will find brands like Genelec, Adam, Focal, just to name a few. Where 6″ monitors will set you back 2k+ EACH!
So, let’s not kid ourselves into thinking that there is a large choice of actual monitor speakers in the KRK Rokit price range, because there isn’t. The AV40’s for example are made and marketed as high end PC speakers.
If you are used to listening to music through your 10 dollar logitech speakers, the upgrade is amazing. The AV40s really sound good … for LISTENING to music.
By no means are they suited as monitor speakers. There is enough stuff you have to compensate for, not only room acoustics but also your ears (no set of ears is the same and they deteriorate with age, trust me!). You do not need the extra aggrevation of having to constantly compensate in your head for the quirks of a monitor speaker. Flat response (or close) monitors are available, so no reason to save another 50-150 bucks and work with below par equipment.
And as far as mixing in headphones go, don’t! You can use a headphone to zoom in to a particular bit of track when you want to be sure there is no outside sounds. Maybe find a particularly nasty sound you want to EQ out, listen to the wet end of a reverb, stuff like that.
Headphones have no natural reverb (unless you have REALLY BIG ears) 8-)), standing waves and all that other stuff that makes up acoustics. Those acoustics are an integral part of sound though, you need them to make a good mix.
So, if you want something you can afford, stick with the KRKs. 6″ is you want the bare minimum bass (5″ just don’t cut it and the 8″ are already pretty big – almost mid field). An additional sub is useful if you do a lot of bass heavy production.
Or look for some Focals, Genelecs or Adams on the used market. Don’t be surprised if a single one used is still a lot more money than a pair of new KRK Rokit6s.
Greetinx,
C.August 27, 2013 at 12:40 pm #43563Xavi
Participantwell thank you very much guys for the extensive responses. Personally i think i’m going to listen to you guys and save an extra £150 and get the KRK 6s. You get what you pay for right? haha!
Thanks a lot guys!August 27, 2013 at 1:12 pm #43564Terry_42
KeymasterXavi, post: 43720, member: 11971 wrote: You get what you pay for right?
Thanks a lot guys!Indeed, that is it. And you are most welcome.
Chuck, you totally nailed it. I sure like the KRKs and use them lots on my “DJ desk” as they are hooked up to my controller for home training.
However if I compare them to my Adams production monitors (A7x I think 700 each) it is a huge difference and the A7x are still considered the “low end” of production monitors…August 27, 2013 at 1:37 pm #43567DJ Vintage
ModeratorXavi, post: 43720, member: 11971 wrote: well thank you very much guys for the extensive responses. Personally i think i’m going to listen to you guys and save an extra £150 and get the KRK 6s. You get what you pay for right? haha!
Thanks a lot guys!You are welcome & enjoy your purchase. I am 100% sure you’ll love them.
As far as getting what you paid for with them … I would say you are getting a little bit more than what you are paying for. They are truly excellent value for money.
Greetinx,
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