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Jog wheels: can you scratch on them?

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  • November 26, 2011 at 7:51 pm #10472
    Bigicedog
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    its possible it just depends on your skill level

    November 26, 2011 at 7:55 pm #10473
    DJ Hamed
    Member

    well do you know anywhere I can find a tutorial for scratching with jogwheels? all the tutorials for scratching I’ve found on youtube were for turntables

    November 28, 2011 at 6:06 am #1002237
    Pär Hessler
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    Yes you can scratch on them:

    [media=youtube]do2XZbE6qww[/media]

    December 1, 2011 at 2:04 am #10702
    indamix
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    DJ Hessler, post: 10525 wrote: Yes you can scratch on them:

    [media=youtube]do2XZbE6qww[/media]

    for me i want trust those jog wheels , too small and it sounds hmmm so digital , and it wouldn’t be so precise in scratching cz it’s too small, but absolutely u can do some great tricks on it like in the video u can go hard on it
    btw i own the cdj 900s and its good no digital sounds no milliseconds skipping and its size is good a liiiiitle bit of a vinyl feel

    That my opinion , i’m still climbing the music mountain too 😉

    December 1, 2011 at 5:57 am #10712
    Pär Hessler
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    indamix, post: 10698 wrote: for me i want trust those jog wheels , too small and it sounds hmmm so digital , and it wouldn’t be so precise in scratching cz it’s too small, but absolutely u can do some great tricks on it like in the video u can go hard on it
    btw i own the cdj 900s and its good no digital sounds no milliseconds skipping and its size is good a liiiiitle bit of a vinyl feel

    That my opinion , i’m still climbing the music mountain too 😉

    That is not true! The MC6000 does NOT sound digital and no millisecund skipping.

    The CDJ is not better than MC6000 in any way but the size of the joggs in terms of scratching.
    In fact the joggs on the MC6000 is better in all other ways than the size.
    It is more precise as it has more pulses per turns.
    You can also set the sensetivity on the wheels and so on. + MC6000 feels a whole lot less plastic than any Pio joggwheels.

    Of cause it is harder to scratch on smaller wheels so if you are abot to scratch DMC style it is Vinyl TTS that is the best.
    The second best and closest to that would NOT be Pioneer CDJ 2000/1000/900/800…..
    No the closest you come to vinyl feel is Denon S3700 whith a real vinyl record on top and spinning motorized platter
    built just lake a TT but more torque 🙂

    December 5, 2011 at 10:22 pm #1002314
    Jay Godin
    Member

    CDJ’s and Scratching MP3’s produce the same sounds. They use the same Algorithms to accomplish the effect. If you think that scratching with a controller sounds bad, you might want to look at the bitrate of the track you are trying to use. I only you 320k or higher tracks and I have never had a complaint.

    Personally, I would love to bring out the 1000’s of records I own every night and lug my coffin and sound system around to different venues, but it just isn’t feasible anymore.

    I have been doing this since the 90’s. Used Vinyl, Used CD’s, Used Controlers….. I like what I am using and I can effectively use it how I need too.

    December 5, 2011 at 11:53 pm #10903
    DJ Max D.
    Member

    IMHO, most CDJ jogs ARE better than controller jogs. Bigger, heavier and just more pleasant to use in that manner.
    Also, doesn’t latency cause a (small) problem on controllers?

    December 6, 2011 at 12:28 am #1002315
    indamix
    Member

    Jay Godin, post: 10898 wrote: CDJ’s and Scratching MP3’s produce the same sounds. They use the same Algorithms to accomplish the effect. If you think that scratching with a controller sounds bad, you might want to look at the bitrate of the track you are trying to use. I only you 320k or higher tracks and I have never had a complaint.
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    I think u’r wrong , are u much into scratching ? u used lotta controllers and cdj’s and didnt notice some differneces , theres the Digital sound , theres the latency PRoblemes i mean veryyyy precise problems that u notice only if u scratch good and fast and have lotta techniques and trained ear on scratch sounds ,

    ps : for verry simple scratches theres no prob at all , a verry little bit of digital distortion but nobody can hear so its ok

    for the sound quality i’m aware of the 320 Kbps loooool ! but i can assure u that not every mp3 written in their tag 320 is really 320 kbps , i can take a music video that has like 96 kbps and drop it in a mp3 converter , set the audio settings to 320 kbps and ther u are with an mp3 320 kbps
    is it really ?? but my ear thinks that the audio quality is worse then 96 kbps

    in the end , Only a good musical ear can hear differences not numbers written

    December 6, 2011 at 12:39 am #1002316
    Jay Godin
    Member

    So you can hear a difference between an MP3 being scratched on a Controller and an MP3 being scratched on a CDJ?

    December 6, 2011 at 12:42 am #10908
    Jay Godin
    Member

    DJ Max D, as far as the feel, It all depends on what you have for a controller, There are controllers that feel more like CDJ’s. I have nearly no latency issues, not anymore than you would get with a cdj

    December 6, 2011 at 1:22 am #10912
    indamix
    Member

    Jay Godin, post: 10904 wrote: So you can hear a difference between an MP3 being scratched on a Controller and an MP3 being scratched on a CDJ?

    no , this is ridiculous, not all controllers are bad or Verry good , it’s about what u want from it

    and all what i look for is QUALITY for god sake
    u cant compare a Best Sport car VS a Best Familly car

    December 6, 2011 at 1:33 am #10913
    Jay Godin
    Member

    I am just trying to figure out how you say your CDJ has no digital sound but a controller does, when they get their music from the same source and use the same methods to produce the scratch effect….. I am not talking about the feel of anything like that anymore. Specifically the “Digital Sound”…… (Cause at first you said you can hear the difference, now you say you can’t) Its all good though, I’m going to go work now…. peace

    To The OP, you can totally scratch with a controller, Tons of people are doing it. The higher end ones feel better. I prefer using Time Code Vinyl if the club has Tables, But I throw down with my Mixtrack Pro on a regular basis in this small club every fri…. Just takes some practice.

    December 6, 2011 at 6:26 am #10929
    Pär Hessler
    Participant

    My point of view:

    Other than the soundfile itself there are differences in controllers and CDJs.
    There are different DA/AD converters and different soundcards
    Also there are a difference in the software in the controller and CDJ.

    I heard a guy who is among the best scratchers in Sweden trying a Vestax CDX
    He said it had latency and digital sound. Wich I also could hear.
    The same guy tested a Denon S3700 and he said that it did not have latency and no
    digital sound when scratching.
    There is as far as I know not any of those issues on the Denon MC6000 that I have eather
    But I am not in any way as good as him when it comes to scratching…….

    So it is IMO not a difference between CDJ and Controllers but a difference in AD/DA converters and soundcards.
    Also different software can handle the sound in different ways I think.
    I have heard that VDJ is not as good as Traktor when it comes to scratching….
    The joggwheels is also a big issue when scratching on digital media because they a difference in how many pulses per lap they read. Also it is a difference betwenn joggs with touch sensetive and switch in them….

    So it is many things that can make differences in feel and sound when scratching IMO.
    That is why if scratching you will need one of the more expencive controllers or CDJs
    because they have better sondcards that handles the sound in a better way and also better joggs

    December 6, 2011 at 1:05 pm #10948
    JetRizza
    Member

    heck yea you can scratch on them like here at 1:00

    [media=youtube]IBVEstb4ogA[/media]

    December 6, 2011 at 10:50 pm #10978
    DJ Max D.
    Member

    Jay Godin, post: 10905 wrote: DJ Max D, as far as the feel, It all depends on what you have for a controller, There are controllers that feel more like CDJ’s. I have nearly no latency issues, not anymore than you would get with a cdj

    You are right, I didn’t clarify.. the thing is that I took the CDJ800 mk2 I use a lot and compared it to most controllers I could find here.. S4 (jogs too small), VCI-100 (too light), VCI-100 mk2 (better but still need more “body”), MC6000 (plasticky feel, small).. all in all, I agree there are controllers that feel more like CDJs but there are non that feel JUST LIKE CDJs or better (excluding the NS7 and similar) when it comes to scratching. This is still just my opinion and my experience 🙂

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