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  • #2054291
    DJ Vintage
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    As I answered before. In this price range (and with all these no-name brands) the results are probably gonna be the same for all of them. The only way to tell the difference will be to listen to them.

    #2054671
    Zak
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    Hey again

    I’ll stop messaging you – I’m gonna take a listen to them on the weekend at a store I found

    But…

    Seeing as you know a real good amount about this stuff – by looking at the specs etc. and your opinion

    Which ones is better/bassier?

    http://www.electromarket.co.uk/speakers-audio-equipment/dj-pa-speakers/active-powered-pa-speakers/bba0198

    or

    http://www.electromarket.co.uk/speakers-audio-equipment/dj-pa-speakers/active-powered-pa-speakers/bba0186

    Thanks

    #2054681
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Ok. My final words on the subject:

    General:
    bi-amped is better than mono-amped (= having seperate amps in your active speakers to power low and high frequencies)
    2-way is better than 1-way (= seperate speakers for low and high frequencies)
    3-way CAN be better than 2-way (in which case tri-amped is again better). (3-way is seperate speakers for low, mid and high frequencies)
    Active crossover is better than passive cross-over (in general, although I run a risk of discussions with some of my live sound tech colleagues 🙂 ). Only bi- and tri-amped active speakers will have active crossovers. There is no use for an active crossover in a mono-amp system (as there is only one amp anyway).

    Having said that, bi-amped means more electronics, active crossover means more electronics. And more equals more money. So if you are looking for something that is RELATIVELY good in a certain price range, take the one with the least bells and whistles. You don’t need EQ in your speakers, you don’t need a mixer in your speaker and in low end speakers, bi-amped will mean you will get two amps of even lesser quality.

    Of the ones you ask about, the Ibiza is odd. When you look at specs it says 15″ woofer and no tweeter (high frequency speaker). If this is correct, it is all but impossible to reproduce nice sounding highs with just a single 15″ drivers. It’s pure physics, nothing mysterious.

    The Ekho reports max power in SPL, the Ibiza efficiency (but with +/3 dB, which might not sound like a lot, but a total spread of 6 dB is pretty big, so this number really doesn’t say much). Both values can not be compared.

    Power output is equal at 400W RMS, but both forget to mention at what % harmonic distortion that is, i.e. at what power output it reaches what amount of distortion.

    Personally I would not buy either, ever, but if I had to pick, I’d go for the Ekho, mostly because ABS is a sturdy material and in tight corners (like living rooms and such) it’s not unlikely they’ll be thrown over by a drunk dancer. Normally I’d prefer wooden cabinets for a number of reasons, but building a good wooden cabinet is difficult and expensive. In this price range it will most likely just be 6 sides and, if you are lucky, one cross-brace.

    A speaker I am not personally fond of (don’t like the way it sounds) is the Behringer Eurolive B215D. This is still considered low-end, but these speakers retail at a discount around approx. 185 GBP. American Audio DLT15A is digital bi-amped. Pretty decent low-end speaker. I think it’s going end-of-live, but with a major discount I have seen them for 300 GBP. This is close to three times as much as the Ekho. And while these speakers are definitely not the best, they will make minced meat of the two you suggest here.

    By comparison, my Mackie HD1221s are about 650 GBP each (prices have gone down since I bought mine LOL), they are 12″s not 15″s, have no EQ, no mixer and no other fancy stuff. Yet they are worth every penny in that I can go anywhere to any event in the full knowledge that my PA sounds great.

    Reason I am saying this is, that you are trying to get speakers for sub-sub-budget and you will get what you paid for.

    Hope that helps.

    P.S. The most “boomy” low-end speaker has been mentioned in earlier replies, the Mackie Thump TH-15A. At about 175 GBP, I think this would be the best way to go. In total you’ll spend between 130 (compared to the Ehko) and 50 (compared to the Ibiza) more for them, but there will be no comparison in sound, really. The Thump is a bit of a love/hate speaker, you either love them or you hate them. The hate is often because of the somewhat “exaggerated” low end, which seems to be important to you.

    So my final recommendation is to find a place that stocks the Thumps, listen to them (bring your own favorite tracks to play!) and if you don’t hate them, you’ll love them.

    #2054701
    Zak
    Participant

    Hi man

    Thanks a lot for the reply!

    That was a really impressive and detailed response

    I’ve done a bit more looking and following on from your mention of Behringer I’ve found this

    Is that a good step up compared to these two?

    Thanks

    #2054711
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Only rated at 250W RMS and not a digital amp (like it’s brother the 215D). Might be lacking a bit in the low frequency end. But I am guessing the will sound better (even if not louder) than the other two quality-wise.

    Note the term better, not good 🙂

    My money would still be on the Mackies though at 50 GBP more each. Not my wallet and don’t know how long you have to save up for a 100 GBP more, but I’d say iit is worth it.

    Something we haven’t talked about is that you’ll be needing cables and, more importantly, a good set of stands. To keep your speakers in shape in transport, a couple of covers are recommendable.

    So, don’t forget to calculate for those expenses too.

    #2054721
    Zak
    Participant

    Could I ask what you mean by not a digital amp? sorry – don’t know jack about this stuff

    It doesn’t say if the Behringer is active or passive – could you clear that up

    As for the Mackies, I don’t know where you are looking but I can’t find any under £300 (single)

    #2054731
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    There is a new version out, but you can still find the “old” model. The newer ones are better, but as you found out way outside your budget. Don’t know where you are, but Keymusic and Thomann (to mention two online retailers in Europe) have them:

    http://www.keymusic.com/nl/item/mackie-th-15a-thump/
    http://www.thomann.de/nl/mackie_thump_th15a.htm

    Without going into details, digital amps are lighter and have a totally different design concept. Smaller, lighter amps that can react faster to musical impulsus, produce higher power and produce less heat than traditional analogue amps.

    If you want the details, Sound-On-Sound wrote a very good article on the differences. Being at least somewhat interested in the technical side of things is necessary to fully grasp this article though.

    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun06/articles/loudandlight.htm

    The Behringer is without an amp, so passive. It’s D-brother comes with a 350W RMS amp.

    #2054741
    Zak
    Participant

    Cool – I’ll take a read of the article soon

    I’m going to bring up two more things… sorry xD

    1. Are you able to like crossover two different PA active speakers. E.g. have a Mackie Thump and another Active powered speaker connected together – or is that a big no no in the sound tech world

    2. It may sound dumb – but for small house parties, is one Mackie thump enough?

    Cheers

    #2054781
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    1) we speak of crossover if we want to let one speaker handle one set of frequencies and another speaker another set of frequencies. The best known exqmple is having one or two subwoofers with two satellites/top speakers. It is possible to use brand A subs and brand B tops. Generally people will stay within the same brand and often even same series as manufacturers will finetune the speakers to work best together.
    If you just want to daisy-chain two fullrange speakers, this is no problem with active speakers (there are some rules to follow with passive speakers though). I use a set of Mackie (same brand as my main speakers) SRM450V3s (different series) when I need an extra set os speakers in a room.

    2) yeah, you should be good with one speaker in a small living room. Just set your software or controller to mono and you are good to go.

    #2054801
    Zak
    Participant

    Awesome – that’s cleared a lot up! 🙂

    So…. if I got myself a Mackie Thump and lets say a £100 active speaker – I could plug them in both fine together WITHOUT any amp. Or are you saying its best to get a sub for the Mackie…

    Also, I found another product (probably boring you to death with these) – how does this compared to the two earlier I sent you differ

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QTX-Sound-PAJ15A-Active-800w-PA-Speakers-PAIR-Tripod-Speaker-Stands-/191130026499?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_DJ_PA_Packages&hash=item2c803cc203

    Thanks again

    #2054811
    Zak
    Participant
    #2054831
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    I am about done with this topic quite frankly.

    My opninion on this kind of gear is clear I hope. I have given you an advice on something that will be as good as possbible close to the price you are looking at.

    You can use two different brands if you need more than two speakers. If you have only two (stereo) speakers, they should be the same. I would never mix a Thump with a 100 GBP speaker. Nor do you need a subwoofer when you have two Thumps if you are playing living room gigs.

    So, buy ONE Thump, while saving up for number two.

    I am not going to comment on yet two other sets of bogus chinese no quality gear. Good stands cost between 70 and 110 GBP a pair and here you get two active 800W speaker as well for 270? You do the math.

    #2054841
    Zak
    Participant

    <3 you too

    #2054851
    Zak
    Participant

    Thanks man

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