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August 22, 2013 at 1:38 am #43363
Lamid45G
ParticipantReally interesting…
So basically, I have to pay 50 dolla to hear David Guetta spinning mix-tapes eh ? LOLPS by reading their comments on that page, why so many hate on the DJ’s comments? Comments like “I can just push a button and fist pump, I can do that im a DJ” or ” A person determining which song to play next for people who are either drunk or tripping isn’t exactly an exact science” LOL ?
Is this how the majority people felt about DJ’s now ? Just ignorant and sadAugust 23, 2013 at 9:23 am #43431softcore
Memberdjrizki, post: 43520, member: 11983 wrote: Really interesting…
So basically, I have to pay 50 dolla to hear David Guetta spinning mix-tapes eh ? LOLPS by reading their comments on that page, why so many hate on the DJ’s comments? Comments like “I can just push a button and fist pump, I can do that im a DJ” or ” A person determining which song to play next for people who are either drunk or tripping isn’t exactly an exact science” LOL ?
Is this how the majority people felt about DJ’s now ? Just ignorant and sadAlthough I know where you are coming from, dont tell me the view of the majority of people who are NOT into electronic music or clubbing or DJs themselves are not justified to have such an opinion….I mean, look at what types of guys exactly become succesful in this thing….Besides some very few bright examples of the past where the artistic quality and the persistence to hard work were evident for the sucess of a DJ or a producer, the last years all we see is “rock stardom” overnight…..
Frankly, I cant blame the non-initiated for the bad opinion they have about DJs.
August 23, 2013 at 10:04 pm #43451Edwin Alvarez
Participanti think its a good article, i’m just really thinking this may be a phase and will come crashing down hard.
i cant blame any dj for running with it while its hot. its just funny that the dj is now like a “rock god” at the moment. (well the really famous ones)
how much of this can many other copy cats jump on the band wagon or coat tails?
August 24, 2013 at 2:44 pm #43456D-Jam
ParticipantThe article more or less shows the reality of why as a bar, club, or rave/festival DJ you need ROI to get up there.
I see the comments and pot shots about guys who “push buttons” or “just let the laptop do the work”. Many of them simply are still people who believe talent on a pair of 1200s or CDJs is all you need or should need. GUESS WHAT? It isn’t!
The article clearly shows it…they’re not bringing Harris, Guetta, or Tiesto out due to some perception of “talent”. They’re bringing them out because they give good ROI. They will pack the place with people spending loads of money to be there. They could press play on an iPod and dance around, even trainwrecking pre-recorded mixes, but as long as loads of people show up, they’ll be booked and paid highly.
When you are handing out demos and can clearly see a promoter really only cares if you can “bring heads”, then you understand the nature of the scene and business. This is why I backed off and became a bedroom DJ again, and why I keep telling you all of how much and what kind of effort you need to make to be playing in bigger events.
Is the “DJ fad” coming to a close? No idea. I do see the sound changing though on the airwaves…which tells me the EDM fad is coming to a close.
August 26, 2013 at 2:06 am #43482Lamid45G
ParticipantD-Jam, post: 43613, member: 3 wrote: The article more or less shows the reality of why as a bar, club, or rave/festival DJ you need ROI to get up there.
What is ROI ?
D-Jam, post: 43613, member: 3 wrote:
When you are handing out demos and can clearly see a promoter really only cares if you can “bring heads”, then you understand the nature of the scene and business. This is why I backed off and became a bedroom DJ again, and why I keep telling you all of how much and what kind of effort you need to make to be playing in bigger events.“Bring heads” is sooo true, the era of the Club Manager pay DJ’s for just that (no “condition met” terms) is over (well unless you already a “BIG” name)
The Club Manager turns to this system call “Profit Sharing” ( I called it “Profit BS”), basically it goes like this, if that night the club profits from certain amount, we the DJ’s that plays that night get this certain profit percentage,
For Example:
CLub Profits DJ Profit
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$500 – $1,000 5%
$1,000 – $1,500 7%
$1,500 – $2,000 10%
+$2,000 15%
* Club Profits (from F&B only)Yeah not much, especially if we the DJ did not reach the $500 point playin in that club that night, well bud, you played for free that night LOL, yeah retarded but thats what happened
Of course different clubs got its own calculation and percentage, it varied a LOT (and not on the DJ side either)
I dont even know if I should keep pushing on DJ ing with this kind of behavior around clubs, or just gave F it and gave up, meh not so sure, guess I’m more of the passion for it then money I guess ?August 26, 2013 at 2:09 am #43483Edwin Alvarez
ParticipantROI = Return On Investment
August 26, 2013 at 6:53 am #43492Terry_42
KeymasterWell said D-Jam. Basically also my reason for no longer wanting to play that game and rather just play for fun in small locations that I can easily fill and still get some decent cash.
August 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm #43512DJ Vintage
ModeratorAh, the wonderful life of the wedding DJ. Not ALLOWED to bring extra heads! They invite their own. And the price is right :D.
Greetinx,
C.August 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm #43522D-Jam
Participantdjrizki, post: 43639, member: 11983 wrote: The Club Manager turns to this system call “Profit Sharing” ( I called it “Profit BS”), basically it goes like this, if that night the club profits from certain amount, we the DJ’s that plays that night get this certain profit percentage,
For Example:
CLub Profits DJ Profit
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$500 – $1,000 5%
$1,000 – $1,500 7%
$1,500 – $2,000 10%
+$2,000 15%
* Club Profits (from F&B only)Yeah not much, especially if we the DJ did not reach the $500 point playin in that club that night, well bud, you played for free that night LOL, yeah retarded but thats what happened
Of course different clubs got its own calculation and percentage, it varied a LOT (and not on the DJ side either)
I dont even know if I should keep pushing on DJ ing with this kind of behavior around clubs, or just gave F it and gave up, meh not so sure, guess I’m more of the passion for it then money I guess ?It’s why I tell DJs if you find yourself being pushed to be promoter and DJ…tell the owner then he needs to make a new deal/contract and pay you more for your services, or he pays you a flat rate for DJing, and then a percentage for promotion.
Don’t work for free.
August 27, 2013 at 2:15 pm #43571dj.andy.warhol
MemberReally nice article, perfectly showing the flaws of industry …
Sometimes I’m glad that I do not take or have opportunities to work in those types of clubs.
I’d rather stay in my basement then make myself do what I’m not fond of musically. -
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