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  • #33293
    Arthur Kokanov
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    all i can say is that it takes time and you have to be consistant in the amount you post. people will start to clue in eventually. you wont get much listens/views off 500 friends. the most you expand your online social circle the more the numbers will flow in. to put it in perspective 1-5% of all the people you have on facebook will view your stuff, roughly. a personal example is my learning journal on Digital DJ Tips forums. at first i didint think anyone would knotice it but just under a year of my posting stuff in it, it almost 3,000 views and on avarage 30-40 people will read a single post right after i write it. Same goes for my Ustream I barely get any views on it but slowly it builds up because I promote the poop out of it. Tricky part is not to get annoying with promoting. I hope this helps.

    #33305
    J-Zed
    Participant

    Don’t worry about Facebook too much, it’s actually more of a secondary thing to get done. Focus on your mixcloud because that’s by far more important than anything for online work. It takes time so don’t try and rush it. Listen to other people’s work, comment on it, follow them and then you’ll get people listening to your stuff in return. Give a bit, take a bit you know? Just keep pushing and it should eventually come, it’s hard work even just online.

    #33313
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    There are so many mixes uploaded to N sites every hour, so many downloads from SoundCloud, so many Internet radio stations… Getting any exposure is a big win, even one or two listenings.

    #33320
    aaron altar
    Participant

    For 3 weeks on mixcloud I’d say those are pretty decent numbers. I don’t get much of anything on there. I think my most recent mix has 15 listens and 1 favorite.

    #33340
    D Homei
    Participant

    Hey guys, thanks for all the replies. Good to know I’m off to a decent start, and I should chill about Facebook. Just to be clear, my goal isn’t to get huge massive numbers of listeners to achieve fame so I can quit my day job. I’d just like to get a small group of people interested and tuning in.

    I’m an expat, so I see this as a great way to reach out to all my friends back in the USA, and also pick up new ones along the way. Sort of like I’m the friendly DJ at a cool neighborhood bar, except it’s on the internet. I realize that even that takes a lot of work.

    One thing underneath all of this is that social media seems to reward quantity over quality. This is why I find FB so frustrating. I’m not inclined to flood the internet with even more crap on my personal FB, and certainly not as a DJ.

    #33341

    Dude, my day job is in strategic online marketing, social and web applications. Outside of my day job, I’m currently doing side projects on YouTube, Facebook and Mixcloud. Not all for DJing. I have a FB page for my YT channel and in one month gained 100 likes. And I’ve reached thousands of view on YT. But I’m talking about cooking. Lots of people love to cook.

    One thing you need to think about – do your FB friends share you’re musical tastes? I have close to 400 friends on FB. But I would say maybe less than 50 of them are into house music and/or are DJs. I know statistically less than 1% would post a response. So I don’t expect to get high response because Personal friends on FB are more inclined to respond to what’s relevant to them – cute puppy photos, foody shots etc. Your Mixcloud responses are good because you’re talking to other DJs or music enthusiasts or FB friends who have clicked on your posts. They want to hear music. The other thing I would suggest to do is not use your personal FB account to promote your music. Instead create a page as a musician and promote your music that way. Using pages you can personalize it, invite peeps to “like” your page and track who’s listen vs just liking your individual posts. I’m in the early stages of my DJing project and next year I’m focused on growing on my online audience and create more events. But I know it will take some work (eg. regular posts, sharing, inviting friends to my page, offline word of mouth etc.). Don’t be discouraged. Keep it up!!!

    #33342
    Dj RM
    Member

    I had excatly the same problem than Dj Homei. You guys give us very good advice. I will now spent more time beeing active on Soundcloud !

    #33364
    Hee Won Jung
    Participant

    Screw Facebook…Screw Mixcloud…Screw Soundcloud. Until you have enough exposure in your city as a legitimate DJ you are just one of the other hundreds of people on FB posting about the same stuff as everyone else. What have you done to make yourself more noticeable to others?

    I have like 30 or so soundcloud followers and i havent even posted a mix on it. I dont have a fan page on FB, and i just use my personal one for everything.

    Yet my residency nights are ALWAYS packed. Get personable in real life…build a following in real life…then add them to facebook, Chat with people add to their wall, comment on their status…thats how you develop a following…if you just post shit about your mixes, or what events you are doing…then you becoming apart of the other 95% of bullshit random crap that people dont even bother to look at on facebook. If you spend the time to actually connect on a personal level and develop a dialog that is when you will notice greater feedback.

    I only have around 400 people on facebook as well…and out of that probably only 10-20 that actually follow me because of my DJing…yet when i go out there is ALWAYS people that come up and talk to me saying oh hey ur so and so friends with so and so I heard you guys destroyed it at so and so.

    Facebook/Twitter/Myspace etc. is a cop out and imo a really cheap and useless way to find fans and to increase your fanbase.

    Facebook should be used AFTER you have already gotten people to know who you are. Social Media only works imo once the Social Aspect is already put into place.

    Posting mixes, events etc. are a complete waste if people dont know you already.

    http://digitaldjtips.com/forum/threads/something-that-i-havent-seen-people-talk-about.7173/#post-33117

    The Link above i speak about how i got my “success” which really isnt success at all but as to how i was able to get up in our local scene and become known.

    You need to have a connection with your peers and it is really hard to develop a connection solely off of facebook.

    Go out and meet people…go dance with them get drunk with them….Then once they have gotten to know you hunt them down on facebook and add them.

    IMO Facebook is like my mailbox….95% of it is garbage while 5% is actually something important, and to be honest…im not really going to pay attention to the 95% and just look for the stuff that is important to me.

    #33385
    D Homei
    Participant

    Facebook/Twitter/Myspace etc. is a cop out

    Ouch!! I actually agree with many of your points, and the general gist of your argument. I can actually see how many DJ’s would hide online for fear of playing out. HOWEVERRRRR . . . . I think you’re making the wrong assumptions about me. And being a bit too harsh. I just played in public two weeks ago and rocked the crowd for two hours solid. I am not copping out.

    …if you just post shit about your mixes, or what events you are doing…then you becoming apart of the other 95% of bullshit random crap that people dont even bother to look at on facebook.

    I think if you re-read my post you’ll see I’m quite concerned about not adding useless crap to the internet.

    Screw Facebook…Screw Mixcloud…Screw Soundcloud. Until you have enough exposure in your city as a legitimate DJ you are just one of the other hundreds of people on FB posting about the same stuff as everyone else. What have you done to make yourself more noticeable to others?

    My idea is still evolving, but I intend to make my Mixcloud posts like a hybrid radio show / mixstream. One thing I like about radio is hearing a friendly voice coming over the air. It’s just comforting to hear a person out there who cares enough to tell you what’s going on. It’s a subtle difference, but my instinct tells me it’s an important one. That’s why radio has survived all sorts of media upheaval for almost 100 years.

    Now maybe there’s somebody out there doing an EDM podcast like this already, but about 95% of the ones I’ve heard have 1) no VO at all 2) VO of tracklistings or plugs for upcoming gigs 3) Just sound like a bunch of bar drunks rambling on and on. KCRW online is a example of good, intelligent radio but they barely play EDM. Ibiza Sonica occasionally does this, but is mainly solid DJ mixes with no VO. If anybody has examples send ‘em my way.

    I intend to start my shows briefly talking about why I find my music set interesting and then off with the mix. I’m not going to be slapping up DeepMix #346 and boring my audience with plugs for gigs and Facebook “likes”. I don’t know if I’ll be successful, I don’t even have any radio experience, but I’ll certainly try to put on a good show. And I hope when I put quality material out there it’ll get a better reaction than my personal FB stream – which seems to heavily favor crap.

    when i go out there is ALWAYS people that come up and talk to me saying oh hey ur so and so friends with so and so I heard you guys destroyed it at so and so.. . .The Link above i speak about how i got my “success”….Go out and meet people…go dance with them get drunk with them….

    I just have mellower goals than you do. There’s probably a generational thing happening, too. I’m (guessing) I’m at least 20 years older than you. I’ve already had all the DJ success you’re having now. I don’t need to “destroy it” any more. I don’t need to walk into a room and be the center of attention. I don’t drink either.

    Don’t get me wrong, I still intend to be spinning out in public. But I’ll probably do early evening lounge stuff here and there. Your advice in that link is really good, but for me, the idea of staying out till 3AM every other night with people much much younger than me seems ridiculous. I did that in NYC 10 years ago and I reached a point where clubs stopped being adventurous and exciting, and started being sad and depressing.

    I still like to go out and dance and have fun, but clubs are just not the focus of my lifestyle anymore. Cooling it at home with my gorgeous, amazing wife is my idea of a good night. But I still love dance music and continue to be fascinated by it. So doing things online seems like a good route. Besides it seems like everybody in clubs is checking FaceBook on their iPhones anyway.

    #33386
    DJ SHINE
    Member

    I Totally AGREE with HEE WON JUNG ! Social networking should be “in addition to” not “instead of” good old fashion HARDWORK. When u work hard and become respected for what u do, people will LOVE to be a part of your online presence.

    #33387
    Hee Won Jung
    Participant

    Sorry if i came off as aggressive that wasnt my intention…I know i can get a little forceful with my posts lol.

    What i am trying to say is that in the Internet world that we live in…its easy for everyone to just push everything aside and not really care about anything that doesnt directly impact them.

    Me just being myself…whats going to make me want to listen to your mixes…or your online radio show?

    I get handed and email/facebooked all sorts of demos, mixes and what not…Out of those i would say i listen to about .05% of them…and who are those .05% of mixes i listen to? They are people that i have seen on more than 1 occasion…they are the people i have talked to about random stuff…or people that stood out to me, and thats what you need to do at the end of the day. You need to stand out…set yourself apart and in a way that totally captivates the audience you are going for.

    This is extremely hard to do just using online…it is so easy to get mixed in with another random face that you dont know.

    By me Destroying the dance floor…or you rocking out as you put it…that captures people…they remember holy fak that dude just layed down some wicked tracks…i wonder who he is. You need to entice them make them want more…how ever it is u do it…by destroying the dance floor, making a new niche for yourself…or DJing with a Darth Vader mask and having 2 girls dressed up as princess leia beside you. (that last one was a joke…sort of) But you get what i mean.

    Oh also I’m 28…been in the music scene since i was like 16 going to underground raves…then starting up my own fire spinning company for these raves…and slowly but surely now im in it as a DJ and Promoter.

    I religiously Listen to: In the Air with Morgan Page, and Automatic Static with DJ Icey, and The Lazy Rich show, and the only reason why i do…is because they usually have great bangers that i can add to my set.

    Now i Listen to these from a DJ perspective…because they dont really do much complicated mixing usually A to B intro outtro, but because they usually post tracks before they are even for sale on Beatport.

    #33388

    @DJ Homei I would take Hee’s comments with a grain of salt.

    There is some sense in he what’s he’s saying. In the sense you can’t bank all of your exposure or growth on one social network only. Building a name for yourself takes a lot of work (online and offline). But it depends on your goals and approach. The key thing is if you’re using online you need to know who you are talking to and where are they.

    @Hee to say the FB or any of these networks are a cope out is totally rubbish. Having built numerous events, campaigns and programs on these various platforms I can say confidently they do work. However, it does take planning and significant level of work. In the scene here if you’re up and coming or have been around you need to think about your online audience. And these platforms if used correctly is an effective part of your mix to market yourself.

    #33390
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I don’t think podcasts or live DJ:ing via internet streaming will collect a lot of followers unless you have a name/reputation already. There are so many podcasts and live streaming out there 24 hours a day so any kind of programming is no longer a novelty.

    I always end these kinds of comments by telling new people to produce and release cool tracks, that’s a starting point.

    #33391
    Hee Won Jung
    Participant

    +1 ^

    #33392
    Hee Won Jung
    Participant

    Shuga*Foot, post: 33544, member: 2922 wrote:
    @Hee to say the FB or any of these networks are a cope out is totally rubbish. Having built numerous events, campaigns and programs on these various platforms I can say confidently they do work. However, it does take planning and significant level of work. In the scene here if you’re up and coming or have been around you need to think about your online audience. And these platforms if used correctly is an effective part of your mix to market yourself.

    A question to you then…playing devils advocate here…How do you generate an online audience that will faithfully follow you online?

    I use Facebook for our companies Events, local shows, and Big Headliners and connect with people using Facebook…but like i said i have already developed a following by outside means and connected them with facebook.

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