Idea – Digital DJ Tips MegaMix
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mr stifffy.
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August 30, 2011 at 12:55 am #6593
jezalenko
MemberThanks, I’ll definatly have to check them out when I have some spare cash. At least I can still start learning wax on the TTs at a local bar I play semi-reguluarly at.
Anyway, back on topic. That whole mix train thingy….. sounds cool! 🙂
August 30, 2011 at 12:56 am #6594SmiTTTen
ParticipantAugust 30, 2011 at 1:10 am #6596jezalenko
MemberSmiTTTen, post: 6589 wrote: Almost back on track
This set-up yours? I’m drooling over my keyboard now… :p
August 30, 2011 at 1:25 am #6600SmiTTTen
ParticipantYup 😀
August 30, 2011 at 5:28 pm #6659Irwin J. Céspedes
MemberOh, oh, I wanna play! 🙂
Eduardo Beattie, post: 6464 wrote:
- Harmonic mixing is obligatory, DJs who are unable to scan songs are allowed to send up to 5 songs to one that can to be informed of their key.
It would be important to mention some Harmonic Mixing software for analyzing the music
- Mixed in Key: Paid base, for Mac OS X and Windows
- MixShare Rapid Evolution: Open Source (So it’s Free) for GNU/Linux, Windows and Mac OS
August 30, 2011 at 6:23 pm #1001549SmiTTTen
ParticipantTo the OP
The harmonic mixing being obligatory is somewhat overzealous. To try and dictate HOW someone mixes is counter-productive. It doesn’t matter what kit you use or what techniques are deployed as long as the end result is a product that works. On the technical side, those tools don’t always get the key right so if you insist on policing that you may well up with a mix that is guaranteed to have mixes that are out of key. It’s also a little offensive to those Djs who have actually been doing this for 10-20 or years and use their ear over an algorithm.
As for transitioning between mixes, again, I wouldn’t get remotely hung up on how a DJ should make that transition. We have a 32 bar rule that simply means the Dj should leave at least 32 bars of non-mixed music at the end of the track. This is mostly aimed at preventing cut-up/mash-up kids from leading out with an untenable section. Part of the fun comes from “getting out of” a particularly tricky track which ultimately leads to the most creative mixes.
As for stitching tracks together, we have had hit and miss results there. While it saves time it can have a negative impact on the quality of the mix and we have also seen beginning and ends of mixes inadvertently clipped off. Using a DAW also encourages the DJ to fix levels and clips in their mix which has the effect of degrading the overall mix by the time it is completed. Out policy is: if a Djs slot is WAY off in terms of level we ask them to re-do it. If time does not permit we roll the mix back a slot and then jump to the next Dj.
Rather than dictating what goes in, execute editorial standards on what comes out. In the IMTC Collective we have had a DJs re-do their mix when they have not been up to par. Select 3 key players as ears for the mix and have them QA each piece. Also, dont share the mix as it is in progress. Each DJ should hear the music with fresh ears. Its also cuts down on Djs complaining about the mix being taken a certain way or one Dj using a track another Dj was going to use. Less earache all round. Don’t be frightened to pull a slot or ask someone to redo. If they cant handle that feedback they are in the wrong game. Oh, and If you think that harmonics will be the issue, look again. It will be gain and levels that will be the real killer 😀
August 30, 2011 at 6:30 pm #6670Nick.M
MemberHello all!
I would love to be involved in this! This is such a great idea!
August 30, 2011 at 6:34 pm #6671Nick.M
MemberI would love to be involved in this!!
August 30, 2011 at 6:41 pm #6672Irwin J. Céspedes
MemberSmiTTTen, post: 6664 wrote: To the OP
The harmonic mixing being obligatory is somewhat overzealous(…)
Yes, I think the same as SmiTTen. Just to add something short. Although you use harmonic tunes, sometimes they do not blend well. What its more important than looking at Harmonic Mixing Tables and Musical Scale, is the technique and the personal touch that the DJ imprints to the set. IMHO
August 31, 2011 at 11:40 am #6709Eduardo Beattie
MemberThe reason I added the harmonic mixing bit is because The mix would sound better like it. It’s more of a recommendation, but be free to mix how you like.
August 31, 2011 at 12:18 pm #6712U31
MemberHmmm
a great idea but My two penneth..
Mixed in Key / Harmonic mixing AINT the be all and end all you know?
Loads of my mixes in theory, if you strictly adhered to Harmonic mixing, shouldn’t work
(yeah yeah shurrup you lot at the back saying ,”But they dont work, Mista!” :p )Edit: oops somehow missed Smitten’s post saying something similar…. Carry on!
August 31, 2011 at 6:24 pm #1001560mr stifffy
MemberI think mixing out of key can add drama to the end result, adds tension and affect and many dj’s use this, sometimes we need to step outside the box to do a mix and just freestyle songs that suit 🙂
August 31, 2011 at 6:50 pm #1001563Nick.M
MemberMaybe it just has to be in mixed in key for the new track that you are mixing in at the beginning of your set? I have no problem mixing in key and helping identify track keys, if need be, but i also see why someone would see this as limiting.
August 31, 2011 at 6:51 pm #6729U31
MemberInnit, if you believe all that marketing BS that Tall Pall, Oakenfold and Sasha among others pull off those seamless mixes by using Camelot System software you DESERVE to have your money extracted from your pocket…
They pull off those seamless mixes by using their years of experience, their musical ear and an inside out knowledge of their tunes! And maybe, just maybe – but way down the list, running tunes through key analysis software..
Remember when most of the big names cut their teeth it was on vinyl which changes key as you alter the pitch to beatmatch.Don’t get me wrong, Camelot is a very valuable guide, but it is just another tool for your DJ box and you need the basic skills to use all your DJ tools
August 31, 2011 at 7:06 pm #1001565Nick.M
MemberU31, post: 6724 wrote: Innit, if you believe all that marketing BS that Tall Pall, Oakenfold and Sasha among others pull off those seamless mixes by using Camelot System software you DESERVE to have your money extracted from your pocket…
They pull off those seamless mixes by using their years of experience, their musical ear and an inside out knowledge of their tunes! And maybe, just maybe – but way down the list, running tunes through key analysis software..
Remember when most of the big names cut their teeth it was on vinyl which changes key as you alter the pitch to beatmatch.Don’t get me wrong, Camelot is a very valuable guide, but it is just another tool for your DJ box and you need the basic skills to use all your DJ tools
This is true. But back to the topic…when does this mixing start?
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