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  • #2274951
    bob6397
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    If they were active speakers then you are more likely to have damaged either the Pre-Amp in the speakers (the thing the gain control controls) or the mixer..

    Does the interference stay if you bypass the mixer?

    Active speakers have limiters in for this reason.. The same reason that high end power-amps also have limiters on them..

    bob6397

    #2275001
    Sam Watkins
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    I’ll check and see if bypassing the mixer does anything. I actually didn’t know you could damage a preamp just with an audio signal, just the speaker heads, so I didn’t think of it. I’ll let you know how it goes.

    #2275011
    bob6397
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    Stick a signal too hot through anything and you’ll damage it..

    BTW, Balanced vs unbalanced cables has nothing to do with how loud a signal you run through them.. Its to do with electromagnetic interference and how it gets rid of it..

    bob6397

    #2275021
    Sam Watkins
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    Yes, straight from the R1 to the speakers still produces the noise, and like I said my wiring is completely balanced so if everything was alright on the inside then there shouldn’t be any noise. I think you’re right about the pre-amp.. :/
    Time to see if Carvin will let me send them in.. 🙁

    #2275031
    bob6397
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    It might be worth getting a decent electrician to take a look (unless the speakers are still under warranty? The warranty probably won’t cover this but it will be invalidated if someone they don’t know opens them up…

    It will probably just be a slightly damaged wire on the amp or the like. If the cones are still working then you haven’t blown them..

    bob6397

    #2275051
    Sam Watkins
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    Yeah, it’s definitely the pre-amp. The speakers don’t produce anything when the gains are at 0db. Although, the my righthand speaker seems to be the only one of the two affected.. If I pop the gain up to about 5 it sounds like white noise you’d listen to while you sleep, so I’m pretty sure it’s just the one, odd.

    #2275061
    Sam Watkins
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    I’m actually a Computer Engineering & Computer Sciences major, so if all it is is a bad wire I may be able to fix it. But I’m hesitant to do so because I never got the warranty, these are for my home studio and I figured they’d never get damaged because I know what to do and how to protect them.. Damn, hate my forgetfulness sometimes.

    #2275071
    bob6397
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    I would be surprised if both were damaged tbh.. The exact same signal cannot have been sent to each speaker..

    Open them up and have a look then.. It can’t be as hard as when I took a pair of OHM cabs apart once.. (They are birch, passive units with non-removable foam across the grill. And the units are built t last. Meaning that it took me an hour to just get the handle off the top of the things.. 🙁 )

    Why don’t you run the gains at 0dB normally anyway? That would be where they are designed to be used.. 😉

    I run mine at about -15dB on my Active’s.. Thats mostly because I like running quite high levels out of my mixer though (As in actually 0dB on the mixer, not quite in the yellow..)..

    bob6397

    #2275131
    Sam Watkins
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    Okay, now I’m starting to feel as though my semi-self-taught DJ knowledge is less than sub-par. If I run the gains at 0db nothing comes out of the speakers, unless you mean the gain on the mixer. If that’s what you mean I A) feel silly and B) run the channels my R1 uses on the board at -10db.
    Also, what do you mean by the same signal being sent to each one? Shouldn’t that happen regularly? I’m honestly curious at this point because I thought it would be the same signal going to the left and right lines on the master out of the mixer. I have to go to work right now, so I’ll check back on this when I’m back.

    Btw, thanks for dropping some knowledge on a young DJ! It’s much appreciated!

    #2275161
    Sam Watkins
    Participant

    As for running hot, I’m the opposite! I like my mixer outputting at about -15-20db while the pre-amps handle the signal boost, sounds a bit cleaner to me with these Carvins. After all, they’re called pre-amps for a reason, right? Now, my two JBL towers, I’m with you, I’ll run my mixer at about -5-5db and around -10db on the amplifier. Anyway, I’ll talk to you later man, work awaits! 🙁

    #2275171
    bob6397
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    So.. Gain structure..

    0dB is the point at which the pre-amp is neither adding nor taking away any signal. Meaning that it leaves it untouched as it flows through. It is identical on the way in to the way out.

    On some (cheaper/Less professional) equipment, Sometimes the point at which no sound is let through is labelled as 0. This can be correct – as long as it isn’t labelled as being in dB. This point measured in dB is actually “-Infinity”. (The way this works is by using a resistor to stop the signal flow). Most gain controls have an indication of where “0dB” actually is however..

    About the signal – if you have a stereo signal coming out of the R1, then the Left signal is not necessarily the same as the Right. What comes out of each depends on the mixing engineer for the record. Ever listened to old 60’s recordings through a stereo setup? And heard how some instruments are only in one ear and other just in the other ear? That’s because of what is called panning. Back then, they didn’t have the tech to be able to put audio in both channels at once so you either had a completely mono recording or completely stereo. Nowadays, we can do that but quite often panning is applied to open up the soundstage of the track..

    Basically – the mixing engineers use the stereo signal to place instruments in between your ears. This means that you don’t necessarily have the same signal going to both speakers at the same time.

    bob6397

    #2275181
    bob6397
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    Gosh… you must be in a different part of the world to me.. It’s 21:20 here at the minute.. I’ll be back online tomorrow.. 🙂

    bob6397

    #2277841
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Just so we are clear, if you are using MIC channels on a mixer running a LINE signal through them, you are bound to have problems as the input signal for the pre-amps is way too hot, even with the gains practically closed.

    The mic preamps are there only for MIC pre-amping. If you use the line in input on a mixer channel it will normally bypass the preamp and go straight to gain then the rest of the chain.

    Clearly you can, as suggested by others, isolate the problem by taking a clean sound source (an iPhone would do), inputting it straight into a speaker (active speakers should let you do that) and checking if the noise is there. If not move to the next point by injecting the mixer in the chain. Same thing, use a line input on the mixer, set everything to 0, channel gain (if available) to 0dB, channel fader to 0dB then slowly increase the master level.
    Etc. You get the drift.

    Hearing this, there is a fair chance that the high end circuitry or the high end speaker itself suffered. If this is the case, the first test should reveal this.

    As far as a faulty cable goes, I doubt that is the reason based on the story you told us.

    Got lots more to say on the subject but not the energy for all that typing now 🙂

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