I can almost beatmatch by ear, but I'm not feeling great about it. I need a few tips.
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Benny Mackney.
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September 10, 2011 at 4:59 pm #1001643
U31
MemberPractice.
dont alter the playing track unless you really have to, cue up in you phones and set tempo/ pitch on new tune until it holds as you are doing now. Tempo / pitch is now set so dont touch that slider!
Now stop the new track (If you want – sometimes you strike lucky) and cue up the new track to the beat you want to start the mix on.. hit play, when you are at the right point on the old track, bring in, nudge if its out of phase – simples!September 11, 2011 at 6:19 am #7248Benny Mackney
MemberI wouldn’t change it if I was playing out, it’s just so that I wasn’t always matching to the same 127 or 128 BPM. It’s just a practice thing.
Thanks for the advice 🙂
September 11, 2011 at 9:32 am #7254Jem
MemberI commend you for putting the time in to learn in these days of sync buttons and such.
September 11, 2011 at 9:43 am #7255U31
MemberHa ha its like teaching someone how to mountain bike down a steep boulder field, its all well and good telling them, and trying to explain how its really done after they have read the internet and taken on board all the rubbish advice from the Billy Bullsh*ts out there, but its far easier explaining as you show them…
I hope the original answer makes sense and helps in some way, but it sounds like your getting there.. and dont worry about if you get the tunes running true by ear and the display shows its out by the 0.2 or 1 bpm or so, thats as close as damn it, trust me!
September 11, 2011 at 10:32 am #7256Cybertrash
MemberPractice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, ad infinitum. And if you get a chance to try your hands on vinyl, take it.
September 11, 2011 at 4:24 pm #7267Benny Mackney
MemberJem, post: 7249 wrote: I commend you for putting the time in to learn in these days of sync buttons and such.
Thank you 🙂 Never really did like the sync button for regular mixing, it does have its uses in extreme circumstances though. I wanna learn it because I can see the value in it. It’s a skill I probably won’t use on stage much but it might save my ass some time.
U31, post: 7250 wrote: dont worry about if you get the tunes running true by ear and the display shows its out by the 0.2 or 1 bpm or so, thats as close as damn it, trust me!
I’m not worried about that, that actually made me pretty happy. It’s just that I still feel uncomfortably blind.
Cybertrash, post: 7251 wrote: if you get a chance to try your hands on vinyl, take it.
I freakin’ wish.
September 11, 2011 at 4:38 pm #7271U31
MemberI’m the other way round dude, i’ll Synch 99% of the time and only go manual if its obviously out… Synch is a tool, its provided so ill use it.
But i will say most of the time ill arrange a set in advance and ill notice if a bpm is out when organising the tunes, and then ill tap em out.
This method is naturally gonna fall down when i do a set on the fly…
Keep us updated on your progress, i dont doubt you’ll crack it in under a day!September 12, 2011 at 2:32 pm #7320Benny Mackney
MemberU31, post: 7266 wrote: This method is naturally gonna fall down when i do a set on the fly…
… hence my learning to beatmatch by ear 😛 I don’t use sync because I don’t have a lot else to do otherwise. Most of my tracks would be quite busy enough, so FX are sorta out of the questions. I don’t like feeling dependent on the machine either. More control is nice, but so is having the machine to help in a tight spot.
U31, post: 7266 wrote: Keep us updated on your progress, i dont doubt you’ll crack it in under a day!
Probably, if not for my IT friends giving me the idea of programming an IRC bot. Spent all night writing the code for it >.< Hardly halfway finished. Working but with little function. Much to do. Such is the life of an IT geek.
September 12, 2011 at 5:29 pm #7333Michael M. Hughes
ParticipantI’m admittedly a not-so-great beatmatcher. It’s something I’ve always struggled with. Before the advent of the sync button, I did lots of drops and only beatmatched tunes with a very similar structure. I LOVE the sync button. I would marry it if I wasn’t already married, and have children with it if it was physically possible. With properly gridded music and sync, I can do much more than I used to and focus on other important aspects of playing. I am a better DJ because of it, which is one way of saying my music and mixes sound immensely better and are more successful.
So yes, keep practicing. It’s a great skill to have. I wish I was better, and I still occasionally work on it. But the sync button is your friend, too—don’t discount it as the lazy person’s way of avoiding manual beatmatching.
September 13, 2011 at 7:20 am #7361Benny Mackney
MemberMichael M. Hughes, post: 7328 wrote: I can do much more than I used to and focus on other important aspects of playing. I am a better DJ because of it, which is one way of saying my music and mixes sound immensely better and are more successful.
That’s pretty much what Richie Hawtin says about it, although he also said that if you don’t make good use of the time the sync button saves you, THEN you’re a lazy sync-jockey DJ.
September 13, 2011 at 9:30 am #1001663Pär Hessler
ParticipantI can see that it is splitt feelengs about the sync button.
My personal oppinion is that that freekin button should be forbidden.
In my eyes a DJ tha’t can’t or doesn’t beatmatch by ear is something else but not a DJ! (A bottonpusher maybee?)
I do know that big star DJ’s use it, but I can’t help thinking it is cheating big time.
It is also IMO the main reason digital DJ’s is not accepted by some CD/vinylists DJ’s (including myself)
and in some clubs get laught at.
It is anyway a major handicap to not be able to beatmatch properly.
All music is not alwais in sync so you have to do it manualy (Almoust all music before 1990)
OK you can run it throgh Ableton Live and get a constant BPM but then again some music has tempochanges in it.And the only way to learn how to beatmatch is to try mixing thax together that you has no idea about what BPM they are
not looking at the BPM meater (it is cheating as well)I stared out with 2 beltdrive TTS and a homebuilt mixer, beatmatching reggae from LPs in the 80’s*
That was rather frustrating the first week or two because the BPM drifted on both trax all the time…..
Less than 6 month later I had my first gigg (not reaggae) and it went well.//DJ Hessler
September 13, 2011 at 3:31 pm #7367Michael M. Hughes
ParticipantThen I’m happy to be a buttonpusher who makes people dance and gets paid well to do it. If anyone laughs at me, I’ll laugh right back 🙂
September 14, 2011 at 5:22 am #1001674Pär Hessler
Participant*LOL* to you then BP Michael M;)
//DJ Hessler
September 14, 2011 at 9:31 am #7414Benny Mackney
MemberI definitely agree that it is useful, it’s just not always optimal to beatmatch manually, and likewise for the sync button. It’s a skill I think every DJ should learn, whether they use it on stage or not. Likewise, anyone using a system with beatgrids should learn to use them. If not for emergencies require a change of tactics, then at least so you know how everything’s working.
September 14, 2011 at 9:36 am #1001677Pär Hessler
Participant?? When is it not optimal to beatmatch manually??:confused:
I can agree it is not always optimal to beatmatch att all, there are other ways to put two tunes together and
beatmatch for hours is not the way to keep a crowd allert;)Appart from that I totally agree with you Benny!:D
//DJ Hessler
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