Home 2023 Forums Digital DJ Gear humming/hissing noise from NS7II controller. bad PSU? "dirty power" issue?

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  • #2120151
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    And no other power sources near? No funky extention cord thingies with all kinds of “protection”? Do you have the option to taking it to another location (house/office/whatever) and hook it up (just power adapter, headphone and controller)?

    The difference between the MTP and the NS7II isn’t too significant in my opinion. Depends on where the humm is induced and how the signal path is set up internally.

    Hope that helps a bit. I agree it’s a very strange phenomenom.

    #2120261
    Mark Lavery
    Participant

    no other power source nearby. just a bunch of power strips connecting my PC gear. I tested the NS7II on different mains sockets around the house. tested it with a different power cable. no change.

    taking it to another location is a good suggestion. I’ll see about getting it a friend’s place. if nothing else, it’ll give me a good work-out. this thing is heavy 🙂

    thanks for the reply DJ Vintage!

    #2120281
    Mark Lavery
    Participant

    It says on the back of the board I should be getting 100-240V. my AC adapter out is 250V. maybe there’s too much power running through?

    #2120381
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Doubt your AC adapter OUT is 250V 😛 . Probably max. 250V in. Modern adapter are mostly “automatic”, in that they don’t care if you plug them into 230 or 110, they switch to provide the correct voltage at the output end. Also it wouldn’t explain why the MTP had the same problems (unless you were using the sam adapter – but I am guessing here you were using the factory supplied adapter for each unit).

    #2120401
    Mark Lavery
    Participant

    the NS7II is B-stock and missing the factory adapter. the retailer supplied me with a different adapter, which is leading me to suspect this might be the problem. I’ll try and find out exactly what kind of adapter Numark supplies with the controller. the mixtrack pro is powered by USB, so it’s hard to draw conclusions from that.

    #2120421
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Potential source there, yes. I’d even suspect the NS7II, being B-Stock, if it weren’t for the fact you have the same problems running another controller.

    #2120451
    Mark Lavery
    Participant

    would you suggest I try a surge protector or a power conditioner and see if that makes a difference?

    #2120621
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Nah, easier to take it to another location to totally exclude the power source as potential source of the problem.

    #2120651
    Tony G
    Participant

    Hi Mark et all.

    I am 99% certain that the issue here is not your controller and is your pc laptop but more specifically it’s power supply.

    I shall apologise here and now as this post might seem a bit long but I’m writing to help as many people as possible so please be patient with me.

    Do this simple test…

    Connect computer to your sound system then switch on as you usual and turn up to a level where you can hear the noise. You don’t have to play any music at this stage. Now, for safety reasons, turn down the input to your sound system and then unplug your laptop power supply. The laptop should now be using battery power, even for just a few seconds, as long as your battery is not completely useless. Turn the sound system back up. If you find the noise dissapears then you have an earth looping problem and the four solutions below will help.

    What you have here is an earth loop which shows up anytime you have your system connected tomore than one signal earth. Without getting technical it sounds like a feedback, hissing and hum through your audio outputs. There are a few solutions you can use here all of which I’ve used myself on various occasions.

    I don’t know the NS7 specifically but these solutions will work with ANY audio output or controller connected to a computer.

    First, if you have phono outputs, you can use a simple device called a ground loop isolator. Connect this to a phono output and then use your normal phono connection to you sound system. All noise gone!

    Secondly, if you have Jack outputs try something like the Behringer Hum Destroyer Micro HD 400. Similarly you connect using jack leads and hey presto the hum has gone.

    Third, if you have XLR connections I would use the Behringer Ultra-DI D120. Connect to this using your audio output using an XLR lead. Then connect the unit to your sound system. Only thing to remember here is to set the switch marked “GROUND” (Third from the left) to the “LIFT” position. Hey presto no noise.

    There is one other solution, my favourite, that I use all the time now. This can be used regardless of what audio connections you have on your controller. My particular controller at the moment has phonos, jacks and XLRs, was relatively expensive and still made me sound like something out of a retro sci-fi film.

    Solution number four comes in two flavours and it works regardless of what sound system you connect to.
    What you need is to buy something called a double insulated power supply. (No is don’t mean covering your power supply with two lots of electrical tape.) I recommend a universal type which has lots of ends if your manufacturer doesn’t have such a device for your machine. Look out for the double insulate symbol.

    If you’re still not sure get one that connects with a power cord that looks like a figure 8 at one end.

    Figure of 8 power connector

    The second flavour of solution four is for those looking for a new pc in the near future. Look for a computer that comes with a double insulated power supply, like Dell or Apple, as standard.

    I hope this has helped many of you. Please share your success stories by commenting below.

    Practice and Enjoy!

    #2120891
    Mark Lavery
    Participant

    you didn’t read my OP carefully, Tony G. “the noise persists when all external equipment is disconnected, including my monitors and PC.”

    #2121201
    Tony G
    Participant

    Mark, the fact is that I did read your post thoroughly and not being selfish wrote something appropriate to anyone experiencing a problem similar to yours. Isn’t that what a forum is all about? Perhaps you are in that 1% that my post doesn’t help?

    As you clearly didn’t try the test that I suggested you won’t know if my suggestions were helpful. (Or post your results in order to help others as suggested!)

    It may actually be that you have a faulty unit as you suspected and I am inclined to agree with you after reading your later post much more carefully when you mentioned that your unit is B-Stock.

    I test drove NS7II last night at a local trade show. The unit I used had a standard IEC connector and used a power cord inserted directly to the power source and not a power adapter!!! Perhaps yours should not have a power supply either!

    I would offer more help but I think it best, for fear of appearing incredibly stupid in your opinion, that you should contact the dealer who sold you the controller. Oh, and when he is trying to solve your problem, be nice!

    #2121211
    Tony G
    Participant

    Correction ! perhaps your NS7II should not have a power adapter.

    #2121331
    Mark Lavery
    Participant

    aye, Numark said decisively that it’s a faulty unit. the dealer agreed to a refund and to cover the courier costs. thanks a lot for the suggestions guys.

    #2121951
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Now it’s my turn to ask if YOU read your own OP.

    here’s the part I don’t understand – I get the exact same humming/static noise on my mixtrack pro.

    That is why considering the unit faulty was not high on my list, unless the MixTrack Pro is also faulty?

    Had any lightning strikes while both controllers were connected to something?

    #2123901
    Mark Lavery
    Participant

    nope. no lightning strikes or power cuts. they were both noisy from day 1. I tested them at a friend’s house and the the noise is audible there as well.

    there is one difference between the NS7II noise and the mixtrack noise – the mixtrack gets louder as the volume is increased. with the NS7II there is no change. the mixtrack is powered directly via USB, so I attributed the mixtrack noise to interference from my computer’s PSU.

    It is so bizarre. my Hi-Fi system and guitar amp are powered from the same source and they do not get noisy at all.

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