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  • #2255451
    bob6397
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    All the data for BPM, Cue Points etc. is stored in the database file for Virtual DJ. Find it in Documents -> Virtual DJ and then copy the database.xml file (might be called something different for V7) – that is your backup. It’s probably worth backing up that entire “Virtual DJ” folder if I’m honest – it’s the quickest way to get all your data and settings back afterwards if you need to use a backup..

    When you want to use the backup, install Virtual DJ first and open it. Then close VDJ. Then replace the “Virtual DJ” folder it has created – the new, blank, one – with your old one. Then open VDJ and all your data should be there.. 🙂

    Different Note – I do not know of any way to turn VDJ cue points into a Recordbox compatible format – the format you need to transfer them to CDJ’s. Note that this only works with Nexus enabled CDJ’s anyway…

    bob6397

    #2255471
    DJ NShyap
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    Wow DJ Bob6397, it was an amazing piece of information. Thank you very much for your time and reply 🙂

    Could you please advise, will the cue points that I have made/created on VDJ will work the same way if I change the VDJ Software to Serato etc or will I have to start from scratch for all the tracks individually.. ??

    Thank you so very much once again 🙂

    #2255491
    DJ NShyap
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    #2255511
    Gerd Bauersfeld
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    Every DJ-Software has their own way to save cuepoints, beatgrids and all that stuff, so yes, basically you have to set all your cuepoints and beatgrids again when you change your software.
    But VirtualDJ can import Serato and Traktor databases as far as I know. Mixvibes Cross can import Traktor data as well.

    But keep your eyes open for a software called RekordBuddy 2.0. It promises too convert cue points and beatgrids from one Software to another. (At least for the big players: Traktor, Serato, Virtual DJ, RekordBox, MixVibes…)
    Should be released within a couple of weeks.

    #2255641
    DJ Vintage
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    Still a pain in the …

    About time the industry grows up and comes up with a common, open format set of tags that will allow saving all the cue/loop info with tracks and not in the DJ software. After all, setting those points is YOUR work, YOUR time and it should remain with YOUR tracks.

    Just me, of course.

    As for beatgrids. I don’t think beatgrids are carried over. Every DJ software uses it’s own way of beatgridding and saving that information. I doubt that it can be transferred. Then again, I haven’t looked at RekordBuddy closely enough and perhaps I missed something 😀

    #2256451
    Todd Oddity
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    ^ Sadly won’t happen. It’s in their interest to make it as difficult as possible to switch software. However better import tools will at least make it easier to convert databases so we should get some help.

    #2257431
    VJ Meely
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    This RekordBuddy 2.0 thing seems to hold the greatest promise for moving cues points between softwares but it seems much delayed in being released. Don’t understand why this is so difficult. I don’t think something like Serato writes Cue Point data in an encrypted form into the MP3 files.

    Take VirtualDJ >> Serato for example. VirtualDJ has all of the cue point data clearly written in plain text in its XML database file. For a given track, why does it seem difficult for a utility to read the XML data and write equivalent (Serato compatible) data into the MP3 file of the same name? Mixed-In-Key for example knows how to write Serato cue point data into MP3s. Going the other way seems should be equally as easy.

    Can anyone enlighten me??

    Thx

    #2257561
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    No, they write it into their own proprietary database. Beatgrid info goes into anaylysis files (or whatever name is used).

    It’s not all that hard. But it would take industry-wide cooperation to make it happen in an easy fashion. And while I’d highly applaud the effort, I have to agree with Todd that it’s not going to happen.

    #2258031
    VJ Meely
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    @Vintage, maybe Beatgrid info cannot be migrated, but migrated Cue Points would at least reduce 1/2 of the re-work. I have to believe it is entirely possible to migrate Cue Points as evidenced by 3rd Party tool “Mixed in Key 7” which happily writes Cue Points for Serato and Traktor.

    #2258131
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    I know. My point being that all those things need 3rd party tools to do it. If all DJ software would write the cue points and such in the track tags (would have to work for other formats than MP3 too, can’t force everybody to use MP3 after all), then that info would be available when you load the track in any software (including on CDJs ideally). If you were to change, delete or add a point while playing, the point would be stored with the track and when you then load the track into other software, the amended cue point would be readily available, WITHOUT having to sync or use other methods to transfer information back and forth.

    #2258391
    VJ Meely
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    RekordBuddy 2.0 was promising to do this *I think*. Does anybody know what the hold up is?

    #2258611
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    You’ll agree that RekordBuddy is a 3rd party tool?

    #2417291
    VJ Meely
    Participant

    RekordBuddy seems like only a dream. 3rd party tool, 4th party conglomerate, whatever it is… seems like wishful thinking.

    There must be some sort of legal thing preventing this…..

    #2417371
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Probably the fear of some big companies that they might be losing control over their customers 😀

    Forgetting that protectionism has NEVER worked in any field and that anything open has usually blossomed to give even the ones wanting to keep it closed more profit.

    #2417531
    VJ Meely
    Participant

    I’m not sure it has anything to do with the companies protecting anything. The task at hand is to simply manipulate data that I don’t believe is encrypted. VirtualDJ being the most transparent with all of its data in a clear simple XML file. Serato I think writes some stuff to a database file of sorts but most of the Cue point data right in the Encpsulated fields of the MP3s. I don’t know where it is for Traktor and the others, but the point is that the 3rd party like RekordBuddy is only manipulating the data….. why would this be so difficult? I’m just having a hard time understanding the difficulty.

    Why would Serato not want DJs to easily migrate to it from other softwares? If they had an importer, more DJs might convert. Look at Chrome and Firefox browsers, they can import competitor data. Linux Open Office can read Microsoft office data etc. There are many examples….. I just don’t get it.

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