How to remember/label a song by it's sound characteristics
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September 19, 2012 at 2:13 pm #1012348
DeeJay SiBoogie
ParticipantFor it comes down to knowing your music. I don’t have a system for telling me exactly what tracks go together. I sort by Genre, Key (which is filtered by bpm) and then my own music thoughts. I have my main crates that contain genres as they were bought so if I download a Tech House track it goes in to the main Tech House folder. Then there are folder organsised by Key which will contain all genres within that Key. Then I have sub folders where I have my own file system based on how I think the music sounds I so one track could be duplicated in various sub folders.. For example my Deep house will also contain other genres and the same goes for the other sub folders for other genres meaning my Minimal could contain a Deep House track. It doesn’t mean that all of these will mix with any other track in the folder though. Creating folders is all about you’re preference and what will make it easy for you to look through and find what you’re looking for.
Remember you don’t have to bring tracks in on the beat you can use the breaks, another trick is using the EQ to your advantage to kill the bass and may be bring the track in on the high hat or kill them both and just have the vocal riding over the other track. You can use long transistions and blends with the EQ or quick drops on the beat with the odd spin back. There are some many ways to mix awkward tracks together. Having said that some tracks just won’t mix and that bring you back to what I said at the begining “it comes down to knowing your music.” Also, preperation before a set can help but you can never prepare for the crowd that you just have to pick up on when you’re playing.
Hope this helpsSeptember 19, 2012 at 6:22 pm #1012367DigitalJunkiie
MemberAs Si BooGie said it really does come down to knowing your music, for example beat matching by ear you can’t master that skill within a day of learning about it and practicing it for the day expecting to be as good as the professionals who have been doing it for many many years.
Over time as you gain music and increase your music collection you yourself will notice songs that will go well together and songs that sound the similar key because your ears are a muscle and it takes time and practice to develop a muscle. For example in my area where I spin we’re into dubstep, complextro , DnB , hardstyle , minimal trance. Knowing that dubstep doesn’t have song structures based around vocals more on basslines and greasier sounds I can find a vocal trance song I like and play the vocals of the song through the build up of the dubstep cutting the vocals out when the drop hits I myself know to do this only over time and practice and experience.
September 22, 2012 at 10:09 am #1012445Reason808
ParticipantSomewhere on this site there was a link to DJ blog with an interesting organization system much like what you describe. This guy had made a system like this: III<iii
As I remember the brackets “” were about transitions and the upper vs. lowercase “i” vs “II” were the strengths and or intensities of the intro, break, verse, chorus, outro, etc. So it was a great way to understand the entire structure of a song at a glance, and it still worked as a searchable keyword for tagging purposes. Sorry my memory is so fuzzy on more details, maybe other posters can help on the exact source? I think our esteemed webmaster Phil may have posted it. Also, the guy who makes the Trainspotter utility has a great tagging system that organizes music on structure, and this may give you some ideas: http://www.tspotter.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/tagging-taxonomy.jpg
I agree with what Si BooGie & DigitalJunkiie said. Personally, I don’t find organizing by music by structure useful, and being specific with genres helps avoid most of the clashes you describe. The biggest mixing issue with rhythmic structure is 4-on-the-floor house with All-over-the-floor breaks, dubstep, etc. Usually mixing on the breaks, bass EQ kills, or rapid transitions takes care of the issue. Sometimes I tag songs as “sparse,” “percussive” or “fluttery” but that’s because I like the feel of the tracks like this and want to mix a set that emphasizes it.
However, I have experienced what you’re talking about. Sometimes a song has a very cluttered 32 note high-hat pattern that you don’t even notice until you mix it over one with only 8 notes. In practice, I’m not sure that I would reject a mix because of such a clash, the connection between the songs is usually stronger than hi-hat patterns. But I can see if you’re mixing exclusively minimal tech-house you might run into stuff like this frequently, so organizing your library around structure would be good.
September 27, 2012 at 12:51 pm #1012752ill_phill
MemberBeen absent for a couple of days….
I also organize music using folders with genre names, so this issue appear within the same genre or at least similar and that’s where I need help.
Usually what I remember is the melody color and vocals (that I can reproduce in my head while I’m trying to remember a song). Bass line, kick and hi-hat pattern is a different story. That I can’t remember that easily, so I’m trying to figure out a good way to do it.
I also noticed that at some track outro I can feel how that track reminds me or sounds like some other track, and then when I try to combine them, it works great. Guess that a good preparations before any gig is mandatory, with still some room for improvisation during the nite that is crowd dependent.
Do you make some “rough” plan before every gig or you just let it flow? (the second thing probably comes after years of experience)
Thank you all for the tips, I’ll try some of them, and see which one works for me.
September 28, 2012 at 5:24 am #1012797Reason808
ParticipantOrganizing your music collection is a HUGE issue, especially for digital DJs. I’ve wanted to write about it in more detail but I’m still sorting it out myself.
Since you mention that you’re new to this, I think you should really practice mixing more before you come up with a master scheme to organize a big collection. Ultimately you want to organize your collection around the way you mix. It sounds like you’re still working out your mixing style.
I hope I don’t sound condescending, I also had a lot of similar questions when I was starting out. Once I got comfortable with my mixing skills, my concern with the music structure of track mattered less and less. You get to a point where you generally know what spots to move in and out of in a track, and what type of tracks will work together. Then you can organize around those ideas of “melody color” and “vocals” you mention (sounds interesting, BTW).
Ultimately, if the emotional connections between the songs are right, the structure of the baseline, tempo, etc. won’t matter as much, if at all. A simple slam mix between two hit songs the crowd is dying to hear usually gets huge cheers from the crowd – even when going from radically different genres like rock to hip-hop.
To answer your other question, I make a both a rough plan, but also allow for flow. Most Djs have grouplets of tracks that work well together for about 20mins and then they shift accordingly. Just about every gig I’ve ever had, I had to change my plans to match the crowd’s mood and keep things flowing. Even when the crowd wanted highly predictable and formulaic hits, the peak of the night would always change, so I had to plan my buildups accordingly.
So again, I think it comes back to being comfortable enough with your mixing to adjust to situations that come up. But the situations that come up can also be that little idea that suddenly pops into your head during the outro. Sometimes they can be the best mixes – a little risky in front of a live crowd, though.
September 28, 2012 at 10:46 am #1012808backtothefront
Participantreason808, post: 29228, member: 831 wrote: Organizing your music collection is a HUGE issue, especially for digital DJs. I’ve wanted to write about it in more detail but I’m still sorting it out myself.
Since you mention that you’re new to this, I think you should really practice mixing more before you come up with a master scheme to organize a big collection. Ultimately you want to organize your collection around the way you mix. It sounds like you’re still working out your mixing style.
I hope I don’t sound condescending, I also had a lot of similar questions when I was starting out. Once I got comfortable with my mixing skills, my concern with the music structure of track mattered less and less. You get to a point where you generally know what spots to move in and out of in a track, and what type of tracks will work together. Then you can organize around those ideas of “melody color” and “vocals” you mention (sounds interesting, BTW).
Ultimately, if the emotional connections between the songs are right, the structure of the baseline, tempo, etc. won’t matter as much, if at all. A simple slam mix between two hit songs the crowd is dying to hear usually gets huge cheers from the crowd – even when going from radically different genres like rock to hip-hop.
To answer your other question, I make a both a rough plan, but also allow for flow. Most Djs have grouplets of tracks that work well together for about 20mins and then they shift accordingly. Just about every gig I’ve ever had, I had to change my plans to match the crowd’s mood and keep things flowing. Even when the crowd wanted highly predictable and formulaic hits, the peak of the night would always change, so I had to plan my buildups accordingly.
So again, I think it comes back to being comfortable enough with your mixing to adjust to situations that come up. But the situations that come up can also be that little idea that suddenly pops into your head during the outro. Sometimes they can be the best mixes – a little risky in front of a live crowd, though.
I agree, this is a very well put, balanced bit of advice.
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