How to check the quality of tracks
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April 21, 2014 at 8:40 pm #2024354
Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantYour ears. I could take a 96kbps file and run it through to be 320kbps, but it doesn’t mean it’ll sound like 320kbps.
April 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm #2024357Chris Thomas
ParticipantYes but as i said unfortunately my ears are not trained enough to make out the difference. Obviously i can make out the difference between a track downloaded from YouTube and a track downloaded from say iTunes. But i cant otherwise.
That is why i was asking if there are any other technical ways like checking the file size,etc?
April 21, 2014 at 9:14 pm #2024358Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantOK…try this to help you train.
Take a tune you like…preferably a flac or wav file.
Convert it to several mp3s of different bitrates.
Play them loud in your room on good speakers. You might spot differences.
Frankly, I only worry if a file sounds good…not the bit rate. For the longest time I would make my files 192kbps. Many thought I was nuts but I didn’t trust my computer to play 320kbps or wav files solidly in a gig environment…as I’ve seen laptops at the time struggle. So I stuck to my 192’s until about a few years ago.
Even then and still, I thought my old files sounded just fine. I’ll hear “audiophiles” claim they can tell the difference between bitrates, but studies have shown they really can’t tell. A bad file will sound bad, but don’t presume anything that isn’t 320kbps or higher is suddenly bad. Just listen, loudly, and see what your ears tell you.
In all honesty, no one in a club is going to stroll up and tell you that your file sucks…they’ll be too drunk, and the audiophiles will be too cowardly to step up.
April 22, 2014 at 1:23 am #2024400NewportDJ Drew
ParticipantI always challenge audiophiles to put their ears where their mouth is and do a blind trial of sit in a room and listen to 10 various iterations of a track then tell me what they think the format of it is(eg mp3, wav) and that if they are 100% successful, I will STFU. They can even pick the amp and speaker system. Never had one take me up on the offer. 🙂
Honestly, I reckon that 128k mp3 is even good enough to gig with.April 22, 2014 at 4:20 am #2024412Eliah Holiday
ParticipantI’m sorry to say there are some really crappy digital releases out there, some from reliable stores. I figure it’s either A) upconverted B) ripped from vinyl C) A poor quality mix and/or master. Usually the top end clarity is the first to go. That and crappy club sound systems and it all sounds like mud. Mind you, I’m an audio engineer and an audiophile. I mean hell…Today I was making my own loops and testing them against some tracks I have and I had to keep checking to see if I had left a filter on or EQ knob twisted down on some of my bought tracks cause my loops sounded so much more crisp…And I use AIFF files to DJ with too.
April 22, 2014 at 7:27 am #2024432DJ Vintage
ModeratorWe actually did a 10-person blind test like that a few years ago. 4 DJs, 1 live sound guy, 2 musicians and 3 “random” people. The test took place in a club that we had access too. I used a laptop with a high quality 24-bit sound card and optimized drivers. We ran a 5m balanced XLR into the house PA.
I was the instigator and I had 5 tracks. From each I had a wav rip, a 128, 192, 256, 320 and a lossless (FLAC) 30 second clip. I had score sheets made up. I played each of the 6 clips in random order per track. The “audience” had to indicate which clip number had which quality.
At the end I collected all the sheets, ran it through a spreadsheet with some weighing factors. The outcome was not totally unsuspected by me, but did surprise a few ardent anti-MP3 peeps in the room.
Even without the weighing factor, the answer was VERY clear. Lots of people got 128kbps right most of the time. Two people got 192kbps right most of the time, some others some of the time. NOBODY had any significant statistical succes determining the difference between 256, 320, FLAC and WAV.
Since then I will accept 256 kbps as bottom quality. 320kbps is truly fine with me. The one thing I a not too sure about yet (and which might make for a nice follow-up research sometime) is how the quality of MP3 holds up when heavy processing is done to it, like all kinds of FX and/or pitch control. Does an MP3 deteriorate faster or more than a WAV when run through DSP (digital sound processing)?
Greetinx.
April 22, 2014 at 8:15 am #2024439Lamid45G
ParticipantThe other way to tested it, is to run your “in doubt” sound against a good ripped CD, run them both, and run it thru a mixer and see which one is got the more peaked in your VU meters
Most of the time your lower quality sounds have a lower input in the VU meters compared to the CD sound
April 22, 2014 at 2:29 pm #2024455Groovepunk
ParticipantSome great advice from the guys above.
I agree that these days you can practically ignore the file type and size. I’ve heard some great 192kps MP3’s and some shockingly bad AIFF/WAV files. A lot of this (in my experience at least) seems to be down to a fairly recent trend of over-compressing and/or excessive boosting of the track volume*.
*This is based on my observations – am more than happy for someone more technical to correct me!
The result of this is a very ‘loud’ but muddy sound that can be quite hard to deal with. Obviously listening to the track is your first port of call, but I’ve also found that when buying online, you can examine the waveform of the track preview. If the waveform has very few peaks/troughs (is more like a square than a bunch of lines), it’s often an indicator that the file may sound awful regardless of what quality you buy (genre dependent obviously).
As I say, this has been my experience but hopefully this may help you avoid buying poorly mastered tracks.
GP
April 22, 2014 at 4:10 pm #2024466DJ Vintage
ModeratorIt’s why they invented Platinum Notes. I find it pretty helpful in cleaning up clipped, overcompressed tracks and giving them some breathing space again.
It’s not the fix to all problems, but it does do a good job of tackling a lot of stuff.
Greetinx.
April 28, 2014 at 4:50 pm #2025385MrChippa
ParticipantDepending on the length of a track let’s say around 5 to 8 minutes the file size wil be around 12 to 19 MB for a 320 Kbps mp3.
I would recommend getting everything of 320 kbps or better quality. Just to have a good standard. If you for example use a lower quality in a mixtape and you then want to compress that mix because of the file size you may hear differences in volume.
But like everyone has already said, listen good. Have a few benchmark tracks that you know sound good and compare.
Sometimes the High freq sounds glitchy or warped and sometimes the Low freq is muddy. Trust your ears!April 28, 2014 at 7:28 pm #2025401DJ Vintage
ModeratorSorry MrChippa, but if a track is re-encoded to MP320 (even if the source material was a bogus 128kbps version) the file size will be as you would expect. During the encoding process the “missing” bits are guessed by the encoder. So although you can tell from the file size if it’s a 320 file, you can’t tell if that is what it was originally.
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