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  • #36011
    Daryl Northrop
    Participant

    It’s too bad that service is like this these days. I put most of the blame on the store manager or owner. They are in charge of hiring and training. They probably want to hire someone for as little as possible, only train them to use the cash register, and that’s it. The days of knowledgeable techs and sales staff are basically gone.

    #36019
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    The thing is: We live in the “everything cheap” age. Since everyone wants everything very cheap, shops cannot pay a premium for clerks who they educate or have an education of any kind. Currently I sometimes feel that the guy working the fries at McDonalds has a better education than some guys in music or electronics stores.

    The thing is that through price optimisation pages on the net, you can find out who has what for the cheapest in a matter of seconds. If you order online, then it even gets cheaper.
    Now would you go to that store that asks 100 bucks more for a DJ controller or 10 bucks more for a splitter cable, because the clerk can educate you about it?
    Very few say yes to this question and prolly about 10% of those who answer with yes actually do it. We replaced shops with excellent customer service and educated and helpful shopkeepers a long time ago, with outlets in shopping malls and now with online shops, where worker bees are enough.

    #36025
    Bojan Ljukovcanin
    Participant

    Yeah but that’s in countries where online shopping is actually available to the consumers.In Serbia and most ex YU Balkan countries Online shopping or well for that matter any sort of online transaction isn’t possible.

    #36040

    But, you had to count on yourself to show up with the proper cables, didn’t you fail just a little (pre-gig preparation)? In the states it’s not as bad getting cables on the fly, if you look ahead to the area you’re going to be in (pre-gig preparation). We carry a bunch of extra cables and cords. Set your expectations low when you shop for gear and accessory’s (mental preparation). Shows and conventions are were the pros are. Most of the time if it’s a big job or faraway, we set all the equipment up and break it down, then load it up right away, and then travel to the gig (pre-gig preparation). Who needs the ag before you start? Been there done that, now it’s smooth sailing. Learn by OTHERS mistake$, it’s a lot cheeper.

    #36043
    Bojan Ljukovcanin
    Participant

    I wasn’t getting the cable specifically for the gig though man,i was getting it as a backup for my interface.Besides it wasn’t for a big gig it was for my little nephiews birthay.It was litteraly just about an hour of kids tunes just to make my nephiew happy and to save moneyz on buying a gift [ya i know im cheap sue me,i barely have enough to live.]

    #36049

    Hey, don’t discount the potential of any gig. You never know what a friend of a friend or relative can do for your future earnings! Kid’s parties are attended by young mommies who have 25th wedding anniversary parents with 50yr wedding anniversary parents. Or they have friends getting married or graduating from collage or………. make the most of every situation.

    #36067
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    With shops like Thomann and Bax-Shop (here in Western Europe) setting the “lowest price available” scene and being easily accessible, it is really surprising there are still shops that are willing to pay for the real estate and staff, only to run the risk of informing the customer and him/her then running out and getting gear online.

    In the early days of internet buying, it could take a few days to get your stuff (often payment had to be confirmed, stuff needed to come from a far away warehouse and had to be shipped before 3pm). But now, if I order online before 22:00 and it is a stock item I absolutely have it in my hands by 17:00 the very next day, so unless NOW really means NOW, I can even safe my butt if I forgot to get something for tomorrow nights gig (as long as I realise before 10pm lol).

    I am truly afraid that for speciality gear, like DJ stuff, there will be very few actual physical stores left and even less with knowledgeable staff in the near future.

    And in all honesty, Bax-Shop does do a great job. And they have a (huge) showroom, it’s just a damn long way from where I live (well, for Dutch standards anyway). If you are looking for some high-end stuff, chance is they will have it in their showroom, together with most of its competitors. You might have to drive a bit farther, but that is a small price to pay when buying expensive gear in return for being able to see it and touch it live and compare it directly to other gear.

    I needed subwoofer last year to complement my Mackie HD1221s. With all the online preparation I did, I was convinced I should buy the 15″ HD1501 and perhaps later add a second one, once the budget was there. I was on the verge of just ordering one online. Since it was still a good 1.000 euro’s I decided I really wanted to hear before I bought. I drove 85 kilometers to a big DJ/Sound/Studio place where they actually had both sitting on stage and I could compare them at some serious levels. And guess what, I ended up getting the 18″ because it sounded better, louder and I really would only ever need one (saving my back and space in my small van).
    I got to negotiate with the salesperson some (this one was semi-knowledgeable by the way), so I got a price that was good enough to buy it there. They delivered it to my house which was nice. I think I ended up paying maybe 25-30 euro’s more than I would have if I bought it online. I was more than happy to pay (a little) more, after all I got good advice, a chance to put the speakers to the test and the knowledge that maybe that way I contributed a little bit to keeping the place alive and available for the next time I need something.

    I can really see how (especially smaller) shop owners would be hard pressed to get quality staff, train them properly AND still make a profit trying to get close to internet pricing.

    In a sense we, as customers, are really creating the exact thing you mentioned. I have actually stood next to a couple in a smaller DJ shop closer to home recently, who had been informed well by the sales guy (this is a really knowledgeable dude that loves his job). When he went to check on something, I saw them check out the price online on their smartphone and the woman said: “ok, guess this is what we need. Let’s go home and order it”. And then they expect to get good advice next time they come in? More likely the place will have closed down if they only get “customers” like that.

    So, unless we accept that we need to pay a bonus if we want good advice and “local” availability, or the manufacturers come up with a different pricing scheme (say, extra discount for physical shops), pretty soon it will be either internet or a long drive to get your hands on the actual gear.

    Greetinx,
    C.

    #36072
    Bojan Ljukovcanin
    Participant

    Sad bit to this is that guys from the more developed countries such as England,netherlands and others as well as the US can actually get stuff online and GET the stuff they want.I on the other hand here in serbia can’t shop online and even if i could i’d have to go to out of country shops and get things shipped in which would almost double the cost of most items i’d need.

    #36154
    Stavros Spartalis
    Participant

    I feel you Black Rag. It’s even worse asking about computer gear and programs. But then again i have bought items at “high street” shops, knowing i could find them cheaper online because the shop clerks served me well.
    – Hello i need something to connect to “A” so I can do “B” with it.
    – Yes of course, we have “X” which is more expensive and “Y” which is slightly cheaper but doesnt do “Z” feature.
    – Ok I will buy X/Y, thank you.

    Why not buy it online? Because i want it there and then, the assistants were nice to me, because i save the time looking at 10 internet shops and 5 reviews sites, comparing it to other products etc. Sometimes less is more.

    #36350
    Richard Driver
    Participant

    wait, if you came to me and i worked at a music shop and all you asked for a splitter cables, id probably give you the hassle too. what kind of splitter? duh? maybe he was having fun with you thinking here goes another noob not knowing what exactly what he wanted. so id make you go through loops and bounds so next time you need an rca splitter, usb splitter, xlr splitter, id wait till you educated yourself. but wait! do you need a rca to xlr splitter, xlr to 1/4 inch spitter etc etc. o wait! do you need a xlr male to xlr female, 1/2 to rca omfg it goes on bro. come on. so u found it. good on you. btw what are dj splitter cables anyways? or maybe my 15 years of djing and my 3 nights a week residents ive missed this. Please someone enlighten me or teach me the ways. im sorry if you think im being too hard on you but if you are in a rush, need it on the asap, please know what you are looking for by nomenclature. because if not id have 8 hours to play around to make my day go by faster with my dry humor but also educating my customers to be specific to chose the exact cable you need to choose from the over 1000 different types i have in my inventory. thats all. i love you bro! no disrespect meant. cheers!

    #36355
    Bojan Ljukovcanin
    Participant

    Dj R. driver, post: 36506, member: 5499 wrote: wait, if you came to me and i worked at a music shop and all you asked for a splitter cables, id probably give you the hassle too. what kind of splitter? duh? maybe he was having fun with you thinking here goes another noob not knowing what exactly what he wanted. so id make you go through loops and bounds so next time you need an rca splitter, usb splitter, xlr splitter, id wait till you educated yourself. but wait! do you need a rca to xlr splitter, xlr to 1/4 inch spitter etc etc. o wait! do you need a xlr male to xlr female, 1/2 to rca omfg it goes on bro. come on. so u found it. good on you. btw what are dj splitter cables anyways? or maybe my 15 years of djing and my 3 nights a week residents ive missed this. Please someone enlighten me or teach me the ways. im sorry if you think im being too hard on you but if you are in a rush, need it on the asap, please know what you are looking for by nomenclature. because if not id have 8 hours to play around to make my day go by faster with my dry humor but also educating my customers to be specific to chose the exact cable you need to choose from the over 1000 different types i have in my inventory. thats all. i love you bro! no disrespect meant. cheers!

    None taken and to be honest i understand your position on this.Although when i think about it if i came in to a store where someone like you described worked i’d probably make sure that store goes broke.I respect your opinion on this it’s just as valid as anyone elses,but think about it some more.Is the customers job to tell the clerk exactly what he wants right down to the serial number of the box,or is it the clerks job to make sure the customer has a good expirience whilst shopping and has the will to come back and shop again?

    Thing is i really don’t think this guy was just having fun.Mainly because,and tell the trueth here,if a customer came in and yeah at first you might be confused by the DJ splitter cable,and by the way i think you’re taking the piss outa this as i’m sure you know what the term DJ spliter cable refers too since Phil him self uses the term on more then one occasion,but after the customer actually explains that he needs a 1/4 male stereo to two 1/4 female mono Y cable,you wouldn’t look at the guy with a blank face and go”Wha?”.That’s part one of the reason i know this guy wasn’t just having fun.Part two is that about 2 months prior to that i bought my Numark Mixtrack in the same shop from that same clerk,and this guy didn’t even know what a midi controller was and he ended up having to call his bosses son,who’s also a DJ,to ask what it was that i was asking about.

    On a side note,no direspect meant,butwith that kind of attitude towards customers you wouldn’t get far as a sales person,and i should know since my father owns a shop and im the guy he asks who to hire.

    #36359
    Richard Driver
    Participant

    The Black Rag, post: 36511, member: 7330 wrote: None taken and to be honest i understand your position on this.Although when i think about it if i came in to a store where someone like you described worked i’d probably make sure that store goes broke.I respect your opinion on this it’s just as valid as anyone elses,but think about it some more.Is the customers job to tell the clerk exactly what he wants right down to the serial number of the box,or is it the clerks job to make sure the customer has a good expirience whilst shopping and has the will to come back and shop again?

    Thing is i really don’t think this guy was just having fun.Mainly because,and tell the trueth here,if a customer came in and yeah at first you might be confused by the DJ splitter cable,and by the way i think you’re taking the piss outa this as i’m sure you know what the term DJ spliter cable refers too since Phil him self uses the term on more then one occasion,but after the customer actually explains that he needs a 1/4 male stereo to two 1/4 female mono Y cable,you wouldn’t look at the guy with a blank face and go”Wha?”.That’s part one of the reason i know this guy wasn’t just having fun.Part two is that about 2 months prior to that i bought my Numark Mixtrack in the same shop from that same clerk,and this guy didn’t even know what a midi controller was and he ended up having to call his bosses son,who’s also a DJ,to ask what it was that i was asking about.

    wow i see your point on his incompetence. i would really not have fun to the point to make you feel stupid or disrespected but i drill you with many leading questions so i can best fit your needs. i was just on a rant earlier because i have worked that retail side and just personably, it kind of erked me when people came in asking such a broad question. for example, think about the biggest hardware store in your country and the go and ask them for a bolt. or a screw. what would you think? do you know how many types of screws or bolts there are? but i take your point about making the hole customer experience good and all but come on man, give me a little more info than just a dj splitter. maybe its a common thing where your from but a dj splitter to me means like 100 well maybe 10 different things ya dig?. just my 2 pennies 😉

    #36379
    Bojan Ljukovcanin
    Participant

    Dj R. driver, post: 36515, member: 5499 wrote: wow i see your point on his incompetence. i would really not have fun to the point to make you feel stupid or disrespected but i drill you with many leading questions so i can best fit your needs. i was just on a rant earlier because i have worked that retail side and just personably, it kind of erked me when people came in asking such a broad question. for example, think about the biggest hardware store in your country and the go and ask them for a bolt. or a screw. what would you think? do you know how many types of screws or bolts there are? but i take your point about making the hole customer experience good and all but come on man, give me a little more info than just a dj splitter. maybe its a common thing where your from but a dj splitter to me means like 100 well maybe 10 different things ya dig?. just my 2 pennies 😉

    Yeah dude i get it.Don’t worry i didn’t mean to offend you either,we’ve obviously both had rather rough days. 🙂

    #36389
    Richard Driver
    Participant

    time for a drink

    #36494
    Steelo
    Participant

    I wont shop anywhere like that. Do the research yourself and go to a real DJ shop…mind you, the product you were buying could be purchased at any electronics store so knowledge of DJ gear isn’t necessary. Any electronics store can stock some decks and call themselves specialists but nothing beats going to a proper DJ store.

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