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  • #2047993
    Marco Solo
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    A VU meter helps you to determine the sound level. That could be to even the volume on tracks so the transition is smoother or to help you find out if your volume is too loud. If it’s too loud you’ll be hitting a limiter, which distorts the sound, not something you want to happen.

    The controllers you list are fine for a beginner with the exception of the Terminal Mix 4. That one is too far off from the others in terms of price I’d say.
    Have a look at the Reloop Beatmix 4 instead. You said you wanted the full Serato DJ, this controller temporarily includes the full software. But be wary, the offer may not last much longer. I’ve also seen deals on the SB with a full Serato upgrade, that would be worth a look as well.

    My first controller was the Mixtrack Pro 2. Note that only the bottom row of drumpads are switchable, the top row is for the effects. The volume of the soundcard is a little on the low side as well. Not sure how it compares to the others though. Nevertheless, I’ve had a lot of fun with it and still have it as a backup or for parties where there might be people I don’t trust that much (ie all birtday parties). It’s also a great controller for scratching considering any price. Steve Canueto has named it one of his favorite controllers to scratch on.

    I have no experience with the Denon, but one of the moderators on this forum has a Denon fetish and he’ll be able to tell you all you need to know.

    #2048006
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    The Denon’s number one feature, apart from being a really good basic Serato controller that does what you expect it to do is that build quality. It’s rock solid. The platters are the same as on the MC3000 (no longer available) and the MC6000, which are very good platters I can say from experience.

    VU meters are used to set the gain of a track to the right level, assuring all tracks are about equal in loudness. If you don’t use autogain, then not having VU meters is not a good thing. I know loads of DJs who do (especially as beginners) use autogain, in which case VU-meters are essentially just nice christmas lights. I have been using manual gain since forever and it’s ingrained in my workflow and muscle memory: load track – gain. It’s automatic. For me to not have VU-meters would be unthinkable, I’d be lost. Again, shouldn’t be a dealbreaker for a starting DJ with a limited budget.

    Drum pads, I have been DJ-ing a long time and I do lots of mobile work and my primary setup was (sold it to make room for a mk2 which I didn’t buy yet) a DENON MC6000 mk1 (no drum pads) and I also have an iDJ Pro for small parties/gigs (iPad controller, no pads) and my big setup is two SC2900 Denon midi/mediaplayers with an X1600 micer with, you guessed it, no drum pads. I don’t really miss them although I can see myself getting something with drumpads in the future. If you are just starting, there are SO many things you need to learn and practice, practice, practice, that I seriously wouldn’t worry about drumpads on your first controller. They are very inviting to play with, but imho don’t contribute to the proces of learning the core DJ basics. I’d say not a deal-breaker either.

    I am not sure why having only one headphone OUTput (inputs is where you put sound in, and you put sound OUT to a headphone, just saying 😀 ) is a bad thing? Most mixers and controllers had only one output since forever. Only recently have a few controller manufacturers started to add dual outputs on some of their controllers, a small 3.5mm and a big 6.5mm jack. Not to be able to hook up two headphones, but so you don’t need a 5 dollar adapter to go from whatever format your headphones have to the format the controller takes. It’s a nice thing to have in the category “nice to have but totally not important if it’s not there”.

    Hope that answers the questions for you.

    I’ll give a +1 on the Beatmix 4 by Reloop. Performance pads, 4-channel and, if you can find one still, with FULL serato (a 120 USD upgrade discount effectively).

    Good luck with your choice.

    #2048024
    Jezh42
    Participant

    Wow, didn’t expect such a quick response, thanks everyone.

    Thanks for the explanation on the VU meter, I was just a bit confused before.
    And yeah I did actually mean the Reloop Beatmix 4 not the Terminal, my mistake.

    Also thanks Marco Hooghuis for the advice, but I don’t know that I would choose the Mixtrack Pro 2 just for the scratching.

    And DJ Vintage that’s true about drum pads. And with the two headphone outputs (my bad :P) its just because his DDJ-SB has two so I could join in but now that I’m buying a controller I can actually just use mine.
    And I just watched Phil’s review on the Beatmix 4 and the only reason I can see myself buying that is for the 4 channels, but I feel like I only just starting and two channels is definitely enough. He also did mention a few down sides about not harnessing the full Serato DJ software, where as he didn’t mention anything about that for the Denon. It also doesn’t have manual looping but then again the Denon doesn’t have “fraction of beat” looping.

    So yeah currently tossing up between the MC2000 and the Beatmix 4. Still preferring the MC2000 more and would love to hear the Moderator with the Denon fetish’s opinion, if they are around 😛

    Also still don’t know about the MC2000’s compatibility with Serato DJ.

    Thanks again

    #2048028
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Who do you think was giving you all the info on the MC2000? LOL

    As far as I know there is not compatibility issue. Is there anything specific you are worried about. I am not a Serator user, so couldn’t tell you about the software.

    If you don’t need 4-channels, then I would probably go for the MC2000. It’s solid, without a doubt. I think Phil has called it his “favorite Serato beginner controller” at some point.

    #2048036
    Marco Solo
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    I didn’t buy the Numark just for the scratching either, but it’s nice to have. I bought it instead of the Pioneer because the pads had a better functionality (on the SB you actually have 4 per deck, the bottom is just for show as they house the transport controls) and there were actual fx knobs on the Numark. I was also going to use them with Traktor, so the possible layout was more important than the actual one. I had no idea how dearly I would miss having filter knobs, but that was all corrected when I upgraded.

    The MC2000 is compatible with Serato: http://serato.com/dj/hardware/mixers.interfaces.controllers
    The beatmix misses some things that may become an annoyance. For instance, I don’t see any keylock buttons (what’s up with that?). There are also no buttons under the fx knobs. You can still use them to turn on effects, but you can’t immediately switch on an effect to a certain level. Limiting the loops to just 1, 2, 4 and 8 seems kind of strange thing too.
    I’ve been djing now for about a year and I really don’t miss having hardware controls for four decks. I have the option of switching my controls from deck A to C and from B to D, but I don’t use that function that much either.

    In your case the MC2000 looks like a good choice. Not that flashy, but hey, that’s where the music comes in right?

    #2048076
    Craig
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    Never mind the Swedish House Mafia, it’s the Dutch House Mafia taking over this forum!

    Jezh, you won’t get better advice than from these two, end your search here!

    #2048134
    Marco Solo
    Participant

    Dutch House Mafia…
    Sounds like a plan 😛

    #2048135
    Jezh42
    Participant

    Haha yeah, definitely getting the MC2000. Thanks everyone for your help!!!

    #2048156
    Lamid45G
    Participant

    My very first controller it was Vestax VCI 300, just a simple plain basic controller, with only 2 channels, just like you said eh I prolly wont do much of mash-up thingie at the beginning anyway
    The absences of Pads, its not really bother me much, I didnt miss it too much since I have no use for it at that moment, same thing applied to the absence of the FX knobs, sure I can purchased the separate FX units for it, but I never did get around to bought it, I kind of count on the in house club mixer which most of the time already had a built in FX on it,

    And then when I start progressing, advancing if you will my skills in DJ controller, i swapped it for the Reloop Beatmix4, entered the pads and the FX knobs. It is a fun experiences now, since I already acquired a needed skills to abuse those pads and the FX (Serato DJ FX ish awesome!)

    #2048267
    brian quigley
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    DJ Vintage pointed me in the right direction of Denon when I was looking for my first mixer. His advice was spot on – they are solid controllers. I got the MC6000MK2 and I am very impressed – it is great piece of equipment.

    #2048273
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Yep, totally ready for many many years on the road 😀

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