Headphones – mono or stereo?
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July 25, 2015 at 9:16 pm #2229331
Todd Oddity
ParticipantMost mixers don’t have an option to set that, and it wouldn’t make a difference anyway – stereo or mono, it’s the timing your listening to.
July 27, 2015 at 8:41 am #2229581Terry_42
KeymasterMakes no difference at all like Oddity said. I am not trying to immerse myself into the music, you use the headphones to check your cues and timings, not to listen to music.
July 27, 2015 at 9:07 am #2229671DJ Vintage
ModeratorYeah … and unless you mix in headphones, you’ll be listening to one half of the cans anyway LOL
July 27, 2015 at 11:52 am #2229761John Newton
ParticipantCheers guys.
Although I don’t mix in headphones, I do use them for tweaking the level and EQ of the incoming track before mixing.
The question arose when (in a practice session) I was experimenting mixing some old (’50s and ’60s) tunes that sounded a bit lifeless compared to other tracks. After wasting time twiddling effects knobs, I realised that they were recorded with very narrow pan. Switching the ‘phones and monitors to mono brought all the tunes to the same state, which made EQ’ing and levelling much easier. When the output was recorded (and played back) in stereo, it still sounded a bit off. But in mono (which is what a live audience would hear) the mix sounded more consistent than before.
Now, the overwhelming majority of my collection is in perfect stereo, but it got me thinking. Although the mathematics of phasing and frequency interference is beyond me, it seems like common sense that the DJ should try to hear the music in the same way that the audience does. Or to put it another way, if the main output is in mono, what (if anything) is the advantage of having your headphones – and monitors – set to stereo? I guess there isn’t one.
July 27, 2015 at 4:52 pm #2229881DJ Vintage
ModeratorIt all depends on where and when mono summing takes place. Mono is not simply throwing L+R together and sending it back out as an identical signal over both L+R outputs.
So, if – for example – the PA is summed to mono through a professional summing amp and your controller has a far more basic way of creating a mono signal, you’d still end up with two different sounds.
I hardly bother with EQ-ing tracks anymore. First of all I’d rather spend the time not necessary to create transitions watching/interacting with the audience and determine were I am going next. Second, if the EQ is bad because it’s an old track (that either lost a lot due to deterioration of the original medium, like tape or vinyl or because that was just the best sound they could produce in the era), I’d keep it to reflect the “sound of the times”.
Generally speaking, sound engineers will EQ for stereo and then do a quick check on a simple mono speaker. What you are suggesting means re-EQ-ing everything from stereo to fit a mono output better. While commendable, I think it’s waisted on the majority of your audience who are there to drink, dance and flirt (not necessarily in that order).
The way I look at it is that I bring tracks in their original form, which is in stereo for which they have been optimized. If a venue owner decides mono is a better option, it’s up to him to provide the best possible conversion from stereo to mono. This can be done with the right equipment and with room EQ for example and will still sound a bit different from the original stereo source. And it’s not my job or responsibilities to change every track to compensate for the absence of a stereo PA.
Just my two cents though.
July 27, 2015 at 6:05 pm #2229951John Newton
ParticipantA much appreciated two cents. 🙂
I hadn’t considered the different ways that signals are summed, which would negate my whole argument.
And I see your points about EQing. The biggest problem I had with mixing the oldies was keeping inconsistent beats (recorded without a click track) lined up – followed closely by matching levels between under-compressed and over-compressed tracks. EQing on top of all that was a hassle, and I thought switching to mono might be a quick fix. But I guess I was just over-thinking the problem.
Maybe I need to do more practice sessions drunk with pretty ladies in the room. 😉
July 28, 2015 at 3:52 pm #2230341DJ Vintage
ModeratorLOL … always a plan …
July 29, 2015 at 1:47 am #2230601Todd Oddity
ParticipantCouple quick notes:
– Don’t assume all rooms are mono. Half the venues I play are are set up as mono, half use stereo. It varies from venue to venue.
– Never assume you’ll be able to EQ in your phones. I’ve used boards where the cans are pre-EQ.I’m with Vintage – I send out my tracks as close to flat as possible. It’s up to the bar to make sure they have the PA sounding right. That said, I do have the occasional track in my collection that I know needs adjustment, but I know those and set the EQs by memory for them now.
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