Have you mapped your controllers?
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July 29, 2012 at 4:13 pm #1008845
Terry_42
KeymasterWell I generally start off with the best mapping I find and then tune it if the need arises.
So basically I am currently using the standards VDJ mapping for my TM4, but I have remapped the hotcues to function like in Serato.July 30, 2012 at 1:09 am #1008866Norris sk8
MemberI mapped my Otus Raw to mimic a CDJ 1000 but I also have a seperate mapping which I use for controllerism routines. I have also mapped my midi keyboard as a third deck and I am now mapping it for effects as I sold my x1.
July 30, 2012 at 7:59 am #1008877synthet1c
MemberI start with a clean slate every time, then map everything exactly the way I want.
Also in regard to your comment about mapping crashing your software, It is impossible so get in there and have a play around.
I started by mapping 32 hot cues to my MPD24 that I could use to jump around cues in blues tracks to tap out hip hop intro’s after seeing equilibrum on youtube doing it a couple of years ago. then figured out how to shift to delete, after that I figured out how to set all the cues throughout the track with one button press and return to the position I pressed it, it all happened instantly using a macro command…. after that I figured out how to change the distance the cues would be set dependant on the size of the loop select, so I could set cues in a track on the fly while it was playing… I took it one step further and wanted to be able to move the cues to put them on the beatgrid, so did that…. then wanted to be able to change between having the cues 1/4, 1/2 or 1 beat apart so with a little maths achieved that so if I have set them the incorrect size I can change it on the fly while the track is playing… On and on I kept going as it is very rewarding to be able to do these sorts of things as they pop into your head.
Now I’m somewhat addicted having mapped and remapped all of my controllers many times over as I discovered new things and though up different ways of utilising mapping. It’s pretty much to the point where I can fluently and coherently write in VDJScript without needing any reference to any verb lists or descriptions and it’s still fun to stretch the imagination and come up with new things. This is the real benefit of digital djing to me and if you don’t use these tools to their potential you may as well stick with CDJ’s and a mixer because that is all factory maps ever try to emulate.
July 30, 2012 at 7:31 pm #1008926Marcel Wambsganss
Participantsynthet1c, post: 24980, member: 1107 wrote: …Also in regard to your comment about mapping crashing your software, It is impossible so get in there and have a play around […] I started by mapping 32 hot cues to my MPD24…
I should have been clearer concerning the crashes: what i mean is if your mapping is somewhat faulty it can wreck your whole mix – like false conditions on modifiers in traktor – happens to me a lot 😉
32 hot cues….thats like hotcues all over the song 0o Sadly, in traktor you have only direct access to 8 hotcues, could use some more though. I agree with you, digital allows you to get your stuff doing exactly what YOU want. Sometimes its a bit time-consuming getting it right. But Traktor mapping is great pain – No easy copy-paste, a ridiciously small window… whish i had a Mac for the “xtreme mapping” program. Is VDJ more intuitive? or Serato, if someone knows (for sure;) ) ?@ Norris sk8 I thought about mapping my keyboard for additional controls, too, but somehow the layout / look of it doesn’t appeal to me as a good fit for DJing – i like buttons and knobs/faders a lot more than keys 😉 Why did you sold your x1?
What do think of controllers like the Midifighter 3D? a bit over-the-top or a new way to enchance your perfomance? or controllerism, the “dark art”, in general? (may as well open a new thread)
Do you think it maybe reasonable to establish a mapping section here in the forum?
Now im off, practicing my skills a bit 😉
July 30, 2012 at 7:43 pm #1008930Phil Morse
KeymasterI had a Virtual DJ mapping (keyboard only) that I DJed with for many years, in big clubs and everything… crwazy looking back but there were no decent controllers!
July 30, 2012 at 8:24 pm #1008939Michael Lawrence
ParticipantI do my own. I will write down what I want and list out modifiers and just go at it and save the tsi. I find for me anyway it makes more sense to create it cause your much more familar with the controls. At the same time I have tried other mappings online and I have been quite happy with them
July 30, 2012 at 9:14 pm #1008943VinnyBlanc
ParticipantSerato Itch. <>
July 30, 2012 at 10:27 pm #1008952Marcel Wambsganss
ParticipantVinnyBlanc, post: 25047, member: 737 wrote: Serato Itch. <>
Does this mean -> Can’t map Serato because the software is tied with hardware? no customizations possible? Do you care about or whats your reason for using ITCH?
Phil Morse, post: 25034, member: 2 wrote: I had a Virtual DJ mapping (keyboard only) that I DJed with for many years, in big clubs and everything… crwazy looking back but there were no decent controllers!
HAHA, must have got you quite the looks from others, i can imagine 😀
Michael Lawrence, post: 25043, member: 856 wrote: I do my own. I will write down what I want and list out modifiers and just go at it and save the tsi. I find for me anyway it makes more sense to create it cause your much more familar with the controls. At the same time I have tried other mappings online and I have been quite happy with them
I should really start to write modifiers and a scheme, too. Thanks for the hint 🙂 I always start out of the blue – got lost sometimes during the mapping and didn’t found that one error hidden deep within the modifiers…
I guess the desire to map your controllers to your need comes with the geek (at least a little one 😉 ) that resides inside of each digital dj, i presume.
July 31, 2012 at 2:09 am #1008958VinnyBlanc
ParticipantYes. Serato Itch is pre-mapped 1:1 to whatever certified Hardware is plugged in.
Very limited functionality can me mapped outside the given hardware.July 31, 2012 at 2:28 am #1008959synthet1c
Memberclockwise, post: 25030, member: 2142 wrote: Is VDJ more intuitive?
Not really as it is done in script so you can’t press a button to choose a verb, you need to write it out, but it’s not complicated and there are no limits like in traktor so you can have 100’s of modifiers instead of 8, and you can do things like scale sliders and trigger buttons in certain regions to make super knobs, or automate buttons while they are pressed. Hopefully with the pairing of djdecks we can do even more like quantise anything to the grid & use real timed automation that doesn’t rely on human interaction to stop.
VDJ7 already puts mapping in traktor to shame, VDJ8 is going to be even better as the annoyance of the eq will finally be fixed and hopefully the terrible standard effects are cleaned up as that is now the main focus of the digital dj industry. I think the default skin will remain unfortunately, but the floating windows should be a good addition… For skinners our toolkit will get larger as well so can make cleaner looking skins with more options and layer different things to use space more efficiently. Hopefully they build in SVG “scalable vector graphics” as they look absolutely stunning compared to pixelated graphics we currently have to use, much harder to create though…
August 1, 2012 at 1:35 pm #1009076Michael Lawrence
Participantclockwise, post: 25057, member: 2142 wrote: Does this mean -> Can’t map Serato because the software is tied with hardware? no customizations possible? Do you care about or whats your reason for using ITCH?
HAHA, must have got you quite the looks from others, i can imagine 😀
I should really start to write modifiers and a scheme, too. Thanks for the hint 🙂 I always start out of the blue – got lost sometimes during the mapping and didn’t found that one error hidden deep within the modifiers…
I guess the desire to map your controllers to your need comes with the geek (at least a little one 😉 ) that resides inside of each digital dj, i presume.
yeah espeically in traktor when theres so many options to chose from….one thing can throw your mapping off and if your anything like me I cant move on until Its fixed! I can get pretty geeky with it not gonna lie.
I usually make a template in microsoft word and print off multiple copies and write down what I want do and the steps I need to do to get a particualr control. Then as I go I check it off the list and test it on my controller to ensure it works fine and I havent used a modifier I already used. I figure to invest the time in it upfront cause if the mapping is good enough you will be using it quite alot!
August 2, 2012 at 8:03 pm #1009138Marcel Wambsganss
ParticipantMichael Lawrence, post: 25184, member: 856 wrote: …one thing can throw your mapping off and if your anything like me I cant move on until Its fixed! I can get pretty geeky with it not gonna lie. …
Yeah, thats exactly how i am 😀 If something doesn’t work the way i want it to, it has to be fixed, at all costs 😀 (including staying up till 4 o’clock am, tinkering on the same all the time … 😉 ) Thanks for the tips 🙂
BTW, what really bothers me in traktor is the fact that you only have 2 contitions for modifiers to assign… life would be so easier – > a full featured s2 mapping with all tricks – than assign a third condition to each item and voila – a 4 deck mapping without being limited by modifiers. I simply cannot understand why Native instrument has limited the Mapping in such a way. It’s not a technical issue i guess…
August 2, 2012 at 8:19 pm #1009139synthet1c
MemberProbably makes it more accessible for beginners and that is their main market now that the digital djing has exploded in popularity. I wouldn’t expect it to change any time soon. On the contrary I’d expect mapping to slowly become more restrictive as NI cut their income by 60% recently so will probably make up to loss with more modular hardware like the F1.
August 2, 2012 at 8:50 pm #1009141Marcel Wambsganss
ParticipantI wouldn’t call mapping in traktor accessible for beginners ^^ a mapping wizard would help a lot.
I’m worried reading your opinion – i mean – even more restrictive? come on… But as you said, the F1 fits into the development of keeping it simple & modular.But for me, before buying new gear always raises the question: “Can i do more with it than whats described on the package?” Before bying the F1, i already imagined what i can do with it besides the obvious. Like mapping it as a midifighter (the 16 pads screamed this at me :p) or a simple 2 deck controller and so on… so cutting this possibilities down wont result in buying new gear. I mean, plug and play, hardware and software tightly together (rings a bell? 😉 ) isn’t as bad as many would say. It just works. But i think many djs/controllerists/artists (me included) want to use their gear their way. This resulted in ways of using certain gear no one ever thought of it, not even the manufactures.
I hope it doesn’t change – but its always about the business i guess.
August 2, 2012 at 9:29 pm #1009142synthet1c
MemberSorry I’m comparing it to having no restrictions, you can do a lot in trakor just not as much as VDJ, when talking about restrictions I also mean new software features will be added, but control of those functions will probably be locked to hardware.
The other main concern is jog wheels which would be as easy as adding another attribute to tell the program the tics per revolution, they have not done this and I don’t expect it to change as it would make competitors hardware which is generally better quality more appealing.
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