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  • #2548921
    Aaron Nicdao
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    Yes on both counts.

    I have the K10s and their not going to cut it for 300 people much less outside and the Ksubs aren’t going to do much of anything. You’d also need at least two gigbars and probably a couple moving heads to get any sort or respectable light show.

    Definitely rent.

    I’ve played a few shows outside and I’m guessing you’ll need a minimum of four 15’s. I can’t even begin to guess what you’d need for subs to make a prom crowd happy…but I’d say you’d need four 18s to start.

    #2548991

    Yep, rent is no problem.

    I’d be going with 18s subs outside, a lot of air needs displacing.

    For tops, I’d go with something array-like if you can rent those, it aids in covering front/back loading.
    Also you might want to add some sidefill speakers to spread the sound a bit (be sure to inquire with the rental company if they can add speaker delay (or you get that odd echoing effect).

    #2549141
    Steve King
    Participant

    Curious if this has any effect on your answers. So, it’s going to be outside, however I spoke with the client and the dance area is walled off on three sides – a squarish U shape. This makes me feel a little better, and I was a chatting with a friend of mine that’s been doing the mobile/club scene much longer than myself and he said I can set everything up in a corner of the U to create a megaphone type of effect.

    Will that be enough? I really wish they had confirmed the booking with me a lot sooner, months went by with no response and now 30 days before the event, they booked and pre-paid (Which I need to contact my booking site to see if I can prevent that in the future)… though I guess it’s my fault for submitting a quote knowing my gear could barely handle the size of the crowd.

    No idea how I’d even transport that much equipment (If I rented) in a Honda Pilot – that’s another issue.

    #2549181
    Aaron Nicdao
    Participant

    Yes, I’d say that makes a difference.

    Depending on the area your covering (and if your set up on the long or short side) maybe dual 18 subs (or two 21 inch subs) might do it with all the sound bouncing off the walls along with a couple three ways.

    Get the speakers as high as you can.

    #2549201

    Try using 4 tops 15″ and 2 18″ subs. Put the tops on the four corners of the dance area, preferably slightly higher and angled downward a bit (speaker stand adapters exist for just this purpose). All aimed roughly towards the center of the dance area.

    Have the rental company deliver and pick up. Try to get discount. I usually manage to get between 10-25% discount, or get the insurance fee and transport free. It’s normally negotiable. Prices in their price list is what they would normally charge your end-customer and they understand you can’t charge more than that, but still would like to make some money.

    #2549421
    Steve King
    Participant

    Good tips, thank you all.

    This is a tough situation and I don’t like the circumstances around it. I’m dealing with a HS Student who’s not very responsive at all. I ended up having to reach out to the venue coordinator directly and she said the same thing about this student. I feel like I’m getting set up for failure. We’re less than 30 days from the event – I’m still waiting for a layout diagram she says she has and a playlist that they insist I stick to.

    I haven’t signed a service contract yet and I’m debating not doing it. I really wish my booking site didn’t allow clients to just book and pre-pay without confirming with me first. I’ve sent her and her colleague a note describing the situation and presented options of either additional cost to the original quote, or to cancel and return their money, but she still hasn’t responded. Ugh.

    #2549481

    While I wouldn’t worry too much about the gear thing (can always visit the venue and get eyes-on -always a good plan btw), but the “stick to the playlist” one is what would have turned me away instantly.

    That is one of those can’t win situations. You are basically a human CD-changer/jukebox. If the playlist works, fine, but you get no pleasure out of it as you are just sticking other peoples choices on. If it doesn’t work, which is far more likely (almost 100% certain really) -after all, the pinnacle of DJ-ing is knowing what must come next at that particular moment, with that particular crowd- it’s on you and your reputation.

    So with that additional information, this is one job I’d certainly skip.

    I’ll usually accept some dont’s and some “please play” tracks or genres, but usually only when coming from the party folks (like wedding couple). Other than that, if you hire me to do a good DJ job, then let me do my thing. If you don’t trust me enough for that and think you can do something pretty much no DJ can, create a playlist in advance that will fully work on the night itself, then by all means be my guest, but I am not gonna be around for it.

    Good luck with your decision.

    #2557301
    Steve King
    Participant

    So after all this… I get lighting and audio augments from the local rental shop, and then I find out the venue only allows 55 – 65 dB… max, due to some law about being close to a freeway. xD

    At least the extra speakers will be handy to put toward the back of the dance floor.

    #2557611

    Like I said, the mandatory playlist thing would have ended this one for me already, but if it hadn’t, this would have certainly done it.

    BTW, it does show how important it is to know what to ask in advance and to ask all those things.

    Take a look at the following chart and you can see that your max. levels will be between conversational speech at 1 meter away and a vacuum cleaner at the same distance. I can tell you from experience that a small crowd of people will EASILY produce as much as 70-80 dB when excitedly chatting. Granted, dB measurements are usually done at 10m from the source. And the good news about that is that if you halve the distance you gain 6db:
    10m = 65
    5m = 71
    2,5m = 77
    1,25m = 83dB, still not very loud, but better than 65. So those moving close to the speakers get “some” feeling of the music being played.

    http://www.noisemonitoringservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Decibel-scale.jpg

    Which means it is near impossible to do an actual DJ job as you are reduced to not only play like a Spotify playlist, but also at background music levels.

    I am one to always push people to take any (paid) gig they can get, as there is always something to learn, but this would be a “purely for the money” thing for me.

    #2559441
    DJ STACKTRACE
    Participant

    I have an ever expanding list of questions I ask potential clients when they ask me for a quote:

    Is there a SPL restriction at the site?
    Can you send a diagram of the site which includes DJ setup location?
    Do you need lighting?
    Is it indoor or outdoor? If outdoor, will a generator be provided?
    How many guests will attend?
    Is it a formal event?
    When does the music start and end? Who can authorize a request to continue past the defined end time? (How much will that cost)
    When can I arrive to begin setup?
    Will food and drinks be provided to me?
    Are wireless microphones needed?
    Will there be an MC?

    Curious to hear others expand on that list.

    #2561981
    Daniel Moran
    Participant

    I like this question

    Who can authorize a request to continue past the defined end time?

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