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September 28, 2012 at 9:50 pm #1012833
Rick Dawson
Participantwhich video is this?
I have the same mixer as he does (A&H XONE:4D), although his is customised by A&H, and they say they won’t make any custom ones for anyone else.
I too play trance like PVD, and want to get going with just more than one track to the next.
I also have 1200 technics deck and traktor v2 timecode. plus an iPad2 running TouchOSC, and a Novation LaunchPad, which is the hotcues in traktor (bottom row, 4 pads for each A&B decks) the rest are freely assignable in Ableton Live, where i play my idents, and other sound effect samples (Halloween for instance, which i have a collection of samples i play over the breakdowns)
I’d like to take this further, but don’t know where to go from here… I know I have the tech to be able to do more, but need some help and pointers to get something going.
I have played keyboard with some tracks I know… maybe i should do that again?
September 29, 2012 at 11:10 am #1012848Terry_42
KeymasterWell I use the pretty standard and conventional Terminal Mix 4 as a basis.
I have tried now several times to have ableton run in the background mapped to my midi fighter and mix it in. However I think that the setup I saw with Paul (using another mixer and a second laptop to blend the two together) will work better.
I also played with a friends Maschine (old one) a bit and while I like it, I also think I would need a second laptop and another mixer to blend it into my traditional setup and I am not really ready yet to go that far I think.October 1, 2012 at 8:38 pm #1012897D-Jam
ParticipantI sometimes wonder if it’s easier to do “more” when you can come in and play a pre-planned set, not having to take any requests or change it up?
I assume those bigger headliners just play…regardless of the outcome.
October 2, 2012 at 6:54 am #29189Terry_42
KeymasterI agree. If you reached a level where:
A. money is irrelevant so you can put any toy in the booth, even if you use it only for 2 seconds per set
B. you can just do your thing, cause the crowd will go nuts anyways (as it is Paul on stage)
then your whole workflow will change and you will experiment and use anything that makes the performance more fun for yourself.October 7, 2012 at 1:15 pm #1013177softcore
MemberIm planning of creating a video for this because it all adds up to be very long to read but anyways….here’s my set up.
Im using:
Software: Ableton Live, Bome’s Midi translator, personal-made Max/MSP patch, personal made DJmixer EQs (Ableton Live rack Devices) 2 VST synthesizers, VST effects, custom drum sampler, MaxForLive Launchpad step sequencer
hardware: BCR 2000, Launchpad (Korg Micro Control-optional)The set up:
I have 16 distinct tracks in Ableton Live and 3 send channels – and one dummy channel (silent) with a kick to trigger sidechained compressors (read below)6 of the tracks feature the DJ EQ rack which is a typical 3 band EQ with knobs being zero at center position. These, together with the 2 VST synth channels are controlled by a preset in BCR 2000 (whose the controls are logically presented as “top knob”->volume, 3 lower knobs->EQ in a total of 8 channels).
The 3 send channels consist of chained effects:
send 1: the “reverb” send consists of a reverb effect followed by a gate and followed by compressor sidechained by the “dummy” kick . Before all this there’s an EQ where I can set the LP and HP values with knobs in order to control higher and lower frequencies.
send 2: the delay effect – consists of two different delay plug ins which I can alternatively switch on-off with a button and pitch shifter plug in. Before all this there’s an EQ where I can set the LP and HP values with knobs in order to control higher and lower frequencies.
send3: the “loop recorder” – this contains the native Ableton Live loop recorder so that whenever I send a chosen channel to this send, a 4 bar loop is recorded and then played (similar to Traktor’s loop recorder).The effects are controlled by another preset in BCR2000 ( I can select presets with the push of two buttons) also leaving room for 4 of the inital 16 channels controls – which I consider them the “main” 4 decks. By controlled, I mean dry-wet parameters, reverb decay, gate-amount & rate, reverb sidechain compression (causing the very popular “pumpng” sweep noise), delay feedback and time, pitch shifter up-down, and lp, hp filters on each effect are all controlled by the BCR.
So we have, if you are following 6 audio channels plus 2 synth channels – the 2 synth channels are played by Launchpad using my custom MAX/MSP patch which makes it possible with minimum effort to play and record on the fly the two synths and then bu8ild uppon the recording by using other presets-sounds of the synth. For this reason, I do not record “midi” but rather the audio output of the synths (in the “loop recorder” send channel) so I can then switch to another preset.
The rest 8 channels (I did say I m using 16 didnt I?) constitute my “live” drum machine. These 8 channels consist of home made multisampler patches and each channel is a dedicated drum sound – kick, tom, low perc, clap-snar,perc1, perc2, hats1, hats2. Each multisampler may contain up to 127 drum shots so for example I can have 127 different kicks, 127 different toms etc etc – frankly I havent filled all the 127 sample slots in all of them (who needs 127 different kick samples anyway). Im using yet another BCR preset to control their volumes, mutes, sample-selection (which one of the sample will be heard) and on each channel context specific functions (pitch control for toms, attack-decay for hi hats etc etc).
Using the Launchpad MaxForLive sequnecer I can sequence beats real time using this drum sampler or I can put “bells” and “whistles” on ready-made tracks.Also using my costom Max/MSP patch with Launchpad I can easily control all sends (effects, recorder), mutes, monitoring (which channels get to be audible in my headphones) and of course I also use it with its default operation to trigger either 1. commercial tracks (usually on channels 1-4) or litle pre-made loops (usually on channels 5-6).
All these 16 channels and the send effects “return” to an audio channel I have named as “submaster” where an additional effect can add delay or the “reverse” effect followed by a lgithweight for the CPU limiter.
On the master channel I also have a parametric EQ switched off – in case of emergency I have i to compensate for bad sound of a club (lack of bass, lack of high end).
The Korg Micro Kontrol fader edtion is only used whenever I add to this whole setup a VST drum machine for added percussions although I havent used it in a while – lots of stuff to carry around and usually not enough booth space in the small “underground” bars-clubs I DJ.
There are tiny details which of course cant be covered by writing a forum message such as some added sidechained compressors (mainly on the synths and the 6th channel in case Im using a bass loop) and lots of settings involved in Bome’s Midi Translator to make the whole thing not only work but also never loose sync between controls and the actual value in software (whenever Im switching presets), shift-functions, functions not normally supported by Ableton with midi (suxh as zooming in the waveform).
Uhhhhh…..I guess thats all!
for the custom made EQ racks and more details on the Launchpad customisation utility check out:
http://www.softcore.net.gr/projects.phpOctober 8, 2012 at 5:18 am #1013186Anonymous
InactiveGear is fun but adds complexity. Means you need to be prepared and trained. For some gigs you don’t even have much booth space to bring with you tons of gear, unless you are one of the top tier DJs that could set requirements. A simple controller SW + Ableton combination would be a good start, then you could use Ableton for effects, additional loops and triggering synths/drum sounds via a suitable controller.
October 27, 2012 at 1:13 am #30862softcore
MemberFinally got around to make that video for a music-tech website interview so here it is! This is only a small portion-demo of my set up – nothing fansy really but I think it gets the point across. 😉
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