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  • #1012240
    D-Jam
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    My buddy at Phunk Junk records would listen. They’re not anything big, but they can get you on Beatport.

    #1012352
    twicx
    Member

    Hmmm… That sounds interesting! I had a look at their site, and they have a good variety of acts. I managed to get some help organised with getting my downmixes done. Someone with proper monitors etc too, who’s done some producing of their own. I might take you up on that in the next couple of weeks, but I would assume that the better the quality of the tracks are (in terms of mastering) the better it would be. Might be worth my while to get the mastering done really well before I send it off, right?

    #1012403
    Mike Check
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    Getting it out there & heard are different things. A digital distributor is probably your best approach for doing a self-release & would probably run in the ballpark of $35-50 annually (it’s a recurring fee).

    Having your album heard is the difficult part because that requires marketing and adverstising. This is where labels still have relevancy because they have marketing budgets and business connections. So being an unsigned artist you need to take on this advertising burden which will require hustling your EP. Even if you find an indie label to release it there’s a good chance that they don’t have a budget to market it ….basically they are just doing the adminstrative work that you could do yourself w/ a digital distributor.

    My view on this is that you do the self-release and focus the majority of your energy promoting it to influential people such as labels, music blogs, etc. If you can drum up some interest you might get signed and have some marketing power behind your next release (or they’ll re-release your EP).

    #1012541
    twicx
    Member

    hmmm… sounds tricky. out of interest, would it be worth my while to send it off to a bunch of labels? It seems to me that there’s no harm in doing so, right?

    #1012595
    softcore
    Member

    There is, if more than one reply that they want your tracks for release….So try one at a time! 😉

    #1012679
    twicx
    Member

    cool, will do. 😉

    #1012733
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Beatport is the tricky one to get into as they are selective with labels that could upload to their service. iTunes/Amazon/Juno et rest is easier. You could even get there with little capital investment using RouteNote (they take a commission of the sales which is fine as few underground artists make much money from commercial releases, anyway.)

    The trick is to get heard/listened. This is where a good label that actually works for you could make a big difference.

    #1012864
    twicx
    Member

    yeah I’m still unsure whether to just send my stuff out to loads of labels or just do 1 at a time. The guy who’s helping me out with getting gigs reckons I should just send it to as many as possible.

    #1012886
    softcore
    Member

    Well I strongly advise you not to – the reason is quite simple. Nowadays, its very easy and common place for a new producer to get his tracks released by a small indy label. Why? because there is close to zero cost involved to make a digital release. This is not the era when a label had to make sure before investing on an artist and paying huge amount of money to cut vinyls. What this means is, that if you send demos to small indy labels you are most likely to get a release. Now, if you send to more than one at a time, it will be very troublesome to explain to a label saying “yes lets go” that your tracks arent available anymore.
    Another reason, is that, possibly, to whatever label you end up releasing your first EP, you wont be staying long with them – if you have already denied, then, another one, it will be hard for you to re-send another demo and be accepted.
    You are of course free to act as you choose, Im just saying lots of people (including me) would consider this tactic as bad in this day and age.
    As for the Beatport thing, Id advise you to not be picky for your first EP – if a label which is not on Beatport accepts your tracks go with it – build your “portfolio” so to speak, and after you got 1 or 2 released EPs, use them as “bio” to hook up with a label which is indeed on Beatport.

    Just my 2 cents – and talking out of experience! 😉

    #1012887
    twicx
    Member

    Thanks for elaborating on it, it’s a lot clearer now.

    That does make more sense once its explained (maybe i was just being a bit thick!) I get what you mean about how if you send it to a bigger label, and they say it’s not up to scratch, then chances are they’ll think that about anything else you send them. BUT, if I was to send them stuff and say “I had a previous release with Whatever Recordings – a small label in Whereever” then they might say “Ok, this guy is taking his time to make sure his stuff is as good as possible before it goes out there.”

    That does make much more sense.

    On a related note, I take it it would be a good idea to look for labels that tend to go for acts similar to the type of music I’m doing? The music I’m working on is nudisco/electro, so it would make sense to me to go for labels that go with those kind of acts. I did come across one that a friend of a friend is signed with that is relatively small. they’ve had about 10-12 artists, and once every now and again they do a sort of compilation release with a track or two from each of their artists. That seems like a pretty good setup, I like the idea of that to be honest. Is that the kind of size I should be looking for, or smaller again?

    Thanks again for the help 🙂

    #1012888
    softcore
    Member

    Yup! of course you need to be looking for labels who already have tracks out similar to the style you compose – I think everyone does so. And yeah, the one your friend is on should do just fine for starters – as a matter of fact, my first three releases were just that, single tracks on compilations of a label.
    Having already your friend signed is also some sort of an advantage, you can even tell him to send them an e-mail in the likes of “hey check this guy out” so that your demo will have an advantage over others’
    😉

    #1013179
    twicx
    Member

    Ok, so I’ve a bit of an update, it’s progress, albeit slow progress.

    I’ve recently got a bunch of my friends who are brutally honest to listen to the 8 tracks I have done. The responses were generally very positive. There was a few issues like “oh the bass is a bit too much for the synth just at that drop there” or “You’ve just a tad too much redux on that part” so all and all, nothing major. They all said that “you’ve definitely the makings of some good tracks there.” So I’ve fixed any of the little parts they’ve said, and I’m now pretty pleased with the tracks I have.

    I also had great ambitions to put together a little 30-minute dj set, partly to get some more gigs, but I’m going to hold out till next friday when it’s new midi controller day. Also, I only have a couple of likes on my fb page, mainly because I haven’t really had the balls to go invite ALL my friends, incase they think it’s shit. its a confidence thing I guess.

    The other thing I did was made a list of smallish labels, about the size of the above mentioned one. I’ve about 10 on the list, so I’m hoping that one of them will bite. Oddly, and i think it’s a positive thing, I’ve had a recent string of new followers on my twitter, all of which are either labels or promoters. I’m not entirely sure how they got the twitter, but they got it anyway. So they might be worth contacting too.

    Finally, thanks again for the help in this thread.

    #1013185
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Any release is better than no release. If nothing else, release it yourself. No idea to putz on a song forever. Ship it and work on the next one.

    #1013248
    Mike Check
    Member

    Seems like you’re taking a thoughtful approach to this which makes sense. Make sure you fully understand what you can accomplish with a self release vs. what an indie label would provide you (obviously you need an offer to know this). Reason I say this is that a lot of indie labels aren’t doing much more than what you could do in 1/2 a day of administrative work to release the EP yourself. I know it’s cool to say you’re on a label but if they aren’t putting some marketing behind it they’re really not helping your career or exposure & it might not be worth signing over your tracks to the label.

    I was listening to your tracks while typing this ….good stuff. Work Work Work is great.

    #1013271
    twicx
    Member

    >Mike Check

    Yeah I don’t want to just blindly dive into this and make a balls of things. I’m quite happy to take my time, cos one of the things I really like about these types of music industries is that its not particularly age restrictive. If you take, for example, pop, unless you’re 12 and *insert infinite number of bad characteristics here*, you’re pretty much useless. With genres like EDM, house etc etc, age isn’t really an issue. You only have to look at the multitude of dj’s who’ve been doing it for 20+ years. So there’s no rush really.

    As far as self release vs indie release, I’m not overly clued in on that many of the differences. However, from what I do know, an indie label seems better for what I’m looking for. Perhaps if I explain what my ideal outcome would be, someone might be able to clarify:
    1. Getting a track on Beatport or something similar would be really nice, but not ideal. A little piece on the label’s website would be more than enough.
    2. I’m not too familiar with the popular blog sites, but having a label being able to get my track(s) into/up on some good blogs would be fantastic.
    3. Although it would be nice to have things like physical copies of the single/ep/album/whatever, I am aware that I would have a bit to go, but, getting some tips on where to go to get there would be nice.
    4. This one is kinda important. I would imagine that with a label, I would have someone that I could chat to about the professional side of things (promotions, gigs, future works etc etc.) would be very helpful. Advice on what to do next, what my best move would be, or even the ability to contact other artists on the label for advice would be awesome.

    So finally, I wouldn’t be the kind of guy to go around saying “Look at me! I’m on douchebag records!!” I would love to go somewhere with the music, but if I’m going to give it a go, I’d like to do it right. Also, it’s very encouraging when someone that I don’t know personally says it’s good stuff. I always ask my friends to be honest when they listen to my tracks, but when someone doesn’t know you directly, I think they’d be more honest.

    Cheers again!

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