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January 3, 2013 at 8:24 pm #34437
Daryl Northrop
ParticipantGood points. But…….
People can spend too much time on chat rooms and message boards, but in many cases they provide the vital social space for budding and experienced dj’s to mingle. I started DJ’ing in Des Moines Iowa in 1992. Let that sink in. There were about 3 people DJ’ing that I knew of. The chance to interact with other DJ”s of different styles and experience levels was very limited.
Beginners ask these questions not neccesarily because they want to be Guetta 2.0 (although some do), but because they want to apply hard-learned lessons to their craft and use the tools more effectively.
There will never be a substitute to playing live, with people present, but often those opportunities are not as plentiful as we would like. The online space can provide a great service by helping create and augment that space.
January 3, 2013 at 8:40 pm #34438Hee Won Jung
ParticipantI agree on all your points Daryl…I just see so many people that want to be spoon fed every little piece of information…and i just dont agree with that. Like anything in life practice makes perfect. There was an article i read the other day how cooking is a lot like DJing on the DJ Tech Tools site, and i couldnt agree more. You see all these kids that come out of culinary school thinking they are all that and when you put them into a real life situation in a real kitchen not in some school or house, they flop miserably, and are next to useless in a real Commercial Kitchen.
DJing is the same thing, its an art, although we use basic math to achieve our art it is still art. and not math. Math is fundamentally a yes or no, there is no grey area there is no multiple ways to end with the same result…it is black and white. Often i see so many up and coming DJs trying to make DJing black and white…this is the right way this is the wrong way…when really there is no wrong or right…there is just sounds good and sounds bad…and even then its all in the perception of the listener.
We all think of music differently, we all feel different when we hear a song and we all react differently…thats what makes DJing such a unique and bonding experience between the DJ booth and the Dance floor. Most lessons learned in life are not taught through a forum board or in a book…they have to be learned the hard way…because nothing else will give u that feeling of remorse or embarrassment…and its that feeling that makes us never want to do the same mistake again.
January 4, 2013 at 3:29 am #34447jbhski10@gmail.com
ParticipantI couldn’t agree more! I am 14 myself and when I bought my S2 I didn’t ask any “retarded” questions… I just plugged it in and experimented, the more I practice/d the better and more comfortable I got/get.
January 4, 2013 at 7:24 am #34452backtothefront
ParticipantHee Won Jung, post: 34591, member: 948 wrote: I see this happening a lot and just wanted to voice my opinion here.
I see tens if not hundreds of the same threads on a daily basis, and its threads like how do i mix better, how do i use effects properly, how do i mix other genres.
10 years ago there was no internet, there was no social communites other than actual social events or going to the record stores. Even then there was not much of hey can you help me places for DJs or producers to go…so how did they all get really good? By FREAKING DJING!!!
What i am trying to say here is that there is no WRONG or RIGHT way to do anything that we do…it is an art form. Imagine a painter who likes to brush using circle movements, is he better or worse than someone that does left to right movements or up and down strokes? The whole idea here is to be creative…that is what DJing in a nutshell is…being CREATIVE, taking multiple finished products and making them YOURS not mine not Guettas, but JUST YOURS!!!
Asking Questions like when do i use a flanger, or how do i mix different tracks, is alright but nothing that anyone in this community says thats directly related to DJing is written in stone. With the advancement in technolgy these days the way Everyone mixes is totally different.
Now on the flip side asking questions do get you further ahead faster as there is a wealth of knowledge from more experienced people. A lot of the seasoned people in here never learned how to DJ by using forum boards or Youtube…it was spending the countless hours holed up in their bedrooms and just doing…making mistakes, screwing around having a great time…but in the end all we did was DO.
Bravo, I often think this and mirrors my experience of learning to DJ all them years ago. There’s nowt wrong with asking questions and I’ll happily answer if I can positively help, but nothing beats just getting on and trying, self learning if you will. Good post Hee.
January 4, 2013 at 7:44 am #34457Terry_42
KeymasterWell I think both are important.
I know when I began and there was no internet and I had this crappy turntables. I would have payed anything I had for a place like this. May it be to gain confidence, to get some starting tricks etc. etc. etc.Then of course there is inspiration. It is clear as day to me that one should not copy how another DJ mixes, but you can take his mixing style and melt it into something of your own.
Of course this bears the danger of being a copycat and not improving your own style.But this always happens. I have seen this when I started out DJing, I think around 90-93′ a friend of mine started playing guitar. He took lessons from me and so I could pay for my gear. But all he did was “show me that metallica riff, show me that AC/DC riff,…” so in the end he was able to play like 40 or 50 riffs exactly like the big bands. But he had no idea how to improve on those.
So bottom line:
It happens with every musical instrument. There are hundreds of people who learn an instrument by a teacher and never expand to developing their own style or ideas and it has been like this for hundreds of years (literally, just look at the students of famous composers of the past). Then there are like 1 in 10 or maybe 50 that do expand to their own style and create something of their own. Listening to the mixes posted on this site, I actually think that DJs numbers of creative mixing instead of copying are better than many musical instruments players.
And I myself have taken a lot of inspiration from this forum, even if there are some topics that are repetitive. It is real people with real concerns and we should support them (well I will anyways).January 4, 2013 at 12:09 pm #34468Sunjalo
MemberI couldn’t agree with you more Terry ^^
Not all scenes in all countries are the same, in mine it is somewhat different – i do not know anybody personally who is into dj’ing. I have been into music forever but only recently got fully into dj’ing mostly with the accessibility digital has given me.
Where I am from it seams to be very ‘clicky’ in dj circles – as if you need to be dj shadow before some dudes offer help or support. I mean about 10 yrs ago i tried to get into dj’ing except i didn’t have my own turntables – and it was kinda tough.
So when i made ‘friends’ with some characters who had turntables and had a chance at a mix, no-one helped out, no-one gave pointers and my mixing was pretty terrible (somewhat embarrassing when u are quite young and no-one offers you support) – i would have killed for a place like this to turn to for help and pointers …
Anyway – as mentioned in the thread, use this place to learn the basics but as some famous saying goes “Blaze your own trail” – and then help out the beginners too 😎
January 4, 2013 at 2:58 pm #34473TeflonDon
MemberIn 2002 there was the internet and there were forums and social communities.
January 4, 2013 at 4:14 pm #34476D-Jam
ParticipantI do agree people need to be just open to tinkering, playing, exploring.
In my career of web design, I honestly barely ever ask for help…I more do Google searches, and piece together different ideas into the one final product.
January 4, 2013 at 8:02 pm #34479Anonymous
InactiveThe cool thing if you learn yourself and explore is that you are developing your own unique style so you bubble up amongst the millions of DJs out there.
January 4, 2013 at 8:09 pm #34480Hee Won Jung
Participant+1 Kent I couldn’t agree more.
I have learned so many things just tinkering, grabbing a 4 to 8 beat loop and just messing around with it using different effects and stuff and i was like OMG that sounded SOOOOO cooool!!!! And it totally shows when i play out…i have other DJs come up and are like dude how the F did u do that? Was that a remix or what the hell did u do there it was crazy!
I can honestly say in my time as a DJ i have never asked anything about the ART of DJing i asked questions about the programs about CDJs and how to enable certain things but never about how to mix how to use effects etc…it has been a long and hard trial and error process, and i wouldnt have it any other way…Its like remembering things.
What do you remember more…something you read out of a text book or what the professor told you a year ago…or all the lyrics to that song you loved back in 92, im guessing the song back in 92 because i listened to it over and over and over and over again.
January 4, 2013 at 9:46 pm #34492VinnyBlanc
ParticipantMake a mix…post it here…ask for feedback….get better!
January 5, 2013 at 6:36 am #34497D Homei
Participant+1 Hee Won Jung, who once again give me (and many others) a refreshing kick in the ass!
I’m guilty myself spending too much time pressing QWERTY keys on this forum instead of the play button. It takes a full hour of mixing for me to really get into the “zone” as a DJ, while forum posts only take a few minutes. But once I’m in that zone, the insights from self-experimentation are far more substantial. Many questions just disappear or become irrelevant. You focus on the music and not the technicalities.
However, the temptations not to practice are one of the inherent drawbacks of digital DJing: its much easier to get sidetracked with MP3 tagging, file organization, online music searches and forum Q&A. It all seems so efficient. In the vinyl days, you had few options besides slapping your wax down and playing!
January 6, 2013 at 6:33 am #34516DJ Stone Crazy
ParticipantThat’s right, get off the internet and find a gig!
January 6, 2013 at 11:08 pm #34549NietzSKY
ParticipantWhile practicing definitely is the way to go (practicing alot), there are things I just wouldn’t have thought up if I didn’t ask people much more experienced than myself. Gate scratching…….. never would have came up with that on my own.
Whether it is piano, djaying, or anything professional, I’d say turn to others for guidance, but don’t turn to others for emulation. I don’t believe in originality myself, but I believe in thesis/antithesis/synthesis. Take advantage of the wisdom of individuals who have been in the game for a while, mash different techniques and styles, and harness your sound through practice.
January 7, 2013 at 12:28 am #34554DJ Stone Crazy
ParticipantI learned to write poetry by reading to the crowd. For that, I am rated the second best poetry in my area. (I could’ve been first, but I offend too many people.) just like the DJ forum, I always ran across poetry forums. Did I learn anything? Yep, I learned people in forums can be some pretentious insert cuss word here. Yet, I did learn something from the few who took time to give me some helpful pointers. Still, I learned more by reading and putting my work out in front of a live audience. I don’t think the author of this thread intended to be disrespectful. I think the opinion is quit relying on the forums and just DJ!
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