First time poster/new DJ! Moving up to club CDJs…
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August 6, 2013 at 9:05 pm #42935
donnyboybelfast@yahoo.co.uk
ParticipantSorry buddy, I never used CDJs, had vinyl, then digital – how long until the gig? If your budget allows, maybe buy second hand CDJs to practice on, if you don’t like them, sell them on for similar to what you bought them for?
August 6, 2013 at 9:33 pm #42937Kevin Tillmann
ParticipantThanks for the response!
The gig isn’t set yet – it was more like “come by the club soon, check out the gear in the booth and we’ll set something up for you.” Might do that in a week or so. Then I’m off to Ibiza for a week… I might not come back? 🙂
In the meantime, I want to prepare myself for whatever equipment I’m asked to use – assuming it’s CDJs (and new-ish ones), I assume I should go ahead and install Serato Scratch Live on my laptop so I can at least use my current Serato DJ library/cue points with their equipment and not have to mess with a USB stick/rekordbox. Then I could just use their CDJs in HID mode with SSL.
Ideally, though, they would have room for me to bring and plug in my DDJ-SX…hopefully.
-SR
August 6, 2013 at 11:09 pm #42939donnyboybelfast@yahoo.co.uk
ParticipantI suppose part of the restrictions are down to the sound installation in the club being set up for what’s there, and not wanting someone plugging something in that could damage it or make it sound bad.
August 7, 2013 at 6:03 am #42941DJ Vintage
ModeratorI would have no problem doing a try-out for “free”, especially if the place is something you’d really like to get into. Limited to an hour or so though, don’t do a whole night for free. If they can’t figure out what you have to offer after about an hour, they’re never gonna figure it out. Obviously you don’t want to be the one opening (empty house) or closing (too many drunks :-)), but anywhere in between would be fine. That way you can chat up the resident DJ(s) before going on and gather some valuable info from him/her(them). Hey, and if you can bring 20-30 friends, it’ll be a great night anyway, right? (Wish I had 20-30 friends, but that’s another story :().
As far as gear goes. This was never an issue in “my” days. You’d just play whatever gear was there. I still think that goes a long way to show you are professional and flexible. The moment you start making “demands” (even soft ones, like “I’d prefer using my own gear as opposed to your 6k+ dollar pro setup”) it takes away some of your appeal. Unless you are a big name headliner (in which case your agent will send them your rider way in advance and you don’t have to worry about gear), I think if you can just show up, stick in your usb-stick (and by all means carry spare CD’s with you as well! USB-sticks work … MOST of the time) and do your thing, that will show the owner/booker/promoter that you are a true professional, not phased by whatever gear is thrown at you.
Another reason is that you don’t want to be fiddling around with all the cabling and stuff. Theoretically it is possible to set everything up in advance at home, drivers and such. But if you don’t have the gear there to test it out, I sure wouldn’t want to do this in a new place on my try-out night. You don’t need the added stress of “will it all work like I planned”. Plugging in your own controller into the house PA (especially if they have some extra channels free) is way different from trying to get USB leads in the back of CDJ-2000s being used by someone and bring it all to a laptop and then trying to get HID to work properly. If you are not DJ #1, you’ll have to try hooking up while another DJ is using the gear (or be there before opening and hook it up then), also not winning you any points with the current crew.
If and when you get a (semi-)permanent/regular gig there, it becomes a different story. You can discuss with them that you’d like to bring your own controller/laptop setup with you. You’ll probably end up talking to the house engineer, find a mutually satisfactory way of setting up/hooking up. Maybe do a sound check and have everyone sign off on your gear. That way you have it all checked and tested and, everyone knows you are bringing gear of your own and you are good to go.
Since you said you trust yourself enough to be using CDJ-style units and you can manually beatmatch, I’d suggest going in there with your RekordBox USB-sticks (it is worth the effort getting to know RB and how to prepare a stick for a Pioneer gig anyway) and CD’s for backup and just rock the place. They’ll love you for being ‘low-maintenance’.
Greetinx and good luck,
C.August 7, 2013 at 11:35 am #42943Terry_42
KeymasterI am sorry, but if it is a “well known club” and they are not paying you, they are ripping you off and hence forth you will have the reputation of being a cheap guy, but not a DJ. Others will know as news travel fast and building a DJ reputation will be a pain for you, as you will not be the DJ, you will be the cheap guy that you can get for free if none of the real DJs have time.
If something is for free, it is worthless and getting some friends on a guestlist is the least of your concerns.Never ever DJ for free! (unless your best friend gets married and you owe him your life)
Welcome to the forums!
August 7, 2013 at 1:51 pm #42949Kevin Tillmann
Participant@Chuck
Thanks for the really valuable info. You’re right, I’m still pretty “green” to be making any gear demands at the club (despite my DJ name, haha). Luckily, I think if I show up with my DDJ-SX most places, at least it LOOKS pretty pro for a controller and it’s pretty reliable as far as I know. I loved that at the last party I had at least 10 people come up to me and ask about the controller and all the pretty lights and explain how it all works to them – it has some cool factor for the non-DJs out there. 🙂Question – are you limited to 3 hot cue points with CDJs? I like to do some live remixing on the 8 pads with my DDJ-SX so I’m just wondering if the CDJs will limit that (or if my Serato hot cues will even transfer to rekordbox at all).
@Terry
Thanks and that’s a very good point, but at the same time, the girl I chatted with knows that I am a pretty new DJ and is more of a friend than a business associate. She just happens to also be the #2 at this big club. I’m more in the honeymoon phase than the business phase for all of this so I don’t mind trying out for free, but I’m also not trying to cheapen the value of my/OUR DJing as a whole. The girl had to leave the party before I started my set, so maybe next time I’ll have her watch me at a house party instead of “trying out” at the club. Maybe I should hold off on the gig until she/they see my value elsewhere? She said they get hundreds of mixes to listen to weekly at the club from potential DJs so this would be a way for me to slice through all of that.-SR
August 7, 2013 at 2:24 pm #42950DJ Vintage
ModeratorNever mind that crumpy old man, Terry :-P.
Seriously, I agree with not playing an entire night for free, but do an hour set, enjoy the rest of the night with your friends and just show them what you can do. I wouldn’t wait for them to see you elsewhere. Just grab the bull by the proverbial horns, before they change their mind. Without passing judgement on the SX, the mere fact that you are bringing gear into a high end club for your try-out, doesn’t say pro to me. Showing up confident and doing your thing for an hour (it’s a try-out not a paid gig!) on whatever gear is there says ” hey, I can make a party happen anytime, anywhere and on whatever gear you toss in front of me.” But that is just my take on things. Best way to get in with the big boys is not being TOO eager (don’t be totally blase about it either though .-D).
I’ve got gear coming out of my nose. But when I was asked to play during Queens Day and do a 2-hour 90s set, I just brought my usb sticks and played their CDJ-2000s. DJ after me came in, we agreed on a track he would mix into. Took my usb stick when that mix was done and ready. No stress, pro-grade gear and easy transition.
Everybody happy.
As far as cue points go and assuming it’s a Pioneer house, it’s gonna depend on the type of player how many cue points will be available.
Greetinx
C.August 7, 2013 at 9:04 pm #42964Kevin Tillmann
ParticipantSo the consensus is it will pay to put my stuff on USB for simplicity’s sake… maybe not the most innovative set, but it will be good enough for the gig.
Phil, as always, has an entire article for my question: http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2012/02/using-cdjs-for-the-first-time-5-tips-for-controller-djs/
-SR
August 8, 2013 at 3:53 am #42970DJ Vintage
ModeratorThere ya go :-).
Not sure it’s a consensus, I’ll most likely get bitch-slapped by Terry for this advice , but that is my take on things 8-).
Like I said though, bring CD’s for backup!
Call me paranoid, but I like having backup, especially where electronics are concerned. And for a one hour gig, a handful of CD’s should suffice, so it won’t be like carrying your entire collection with you on CD in a few big, ugly and heavy cases.
Make sure you format the USB stick correctly (full format, not the quick stuff) before using it. Get acquinted with RekordBox, there are a few things you probably want to tweak in export settings if you want all the right stuff to be transferred to USB stick (plenty of tips/tricks out there).
Obviously the first thing would be to make sure what gear they have at the place before putting all that effort in :-). You never know, you might get lucky 😀 and find they have all this lovely Denon gear there, like SC3900 with motorized platters (be just like spinning vinyl). In which case you’d need to go with Engine instead of RekordBox. Not a likely scenario, but just pointing out better to be safe than sorry.
Final tip: if they have Link gear (DCJ2000s Nexus for example), you might want to bring your laptop and a network cable. In that case you can plug into the network switch and use RekordBox “live”. You won’t be facing any driver problems or anything. If you can connect to the network (guessing it would work wi-fi too, just never tried it), you can connect to the players. They would have had that set up already.
Keep us posted!
Greetinx,
C.August 8, 2013 at 6:19 am #42975Terry_42
KeymasterNah you are OK Chuck.
If there are good CDJs (2ks, 2k Nexus, 1k MkII) and possibly even a Traktor Scratch certified mixer, then I too bring a USB stick or my laptop (I have a TSL license) with me and save myself some weight.
It also depends on how large the booth is and if they are already used to controller DJs or even controllerists. If the booth is so large that you can easily setup your controller without even moving the CDJs, then I might feel tempted to bring it, even more so if they already have connector cables already hooked up to the PA. It is still the exception, but there are already a few out there that have those things.As for not getting paid: If it is just a one time trial deal, then you can file it under “marketing” and do it. But I would make it perfectly clear to them, that if the tryout is successful, then I want cash money (and I am not speaking 20 bucks) for the next gig and there are no “second tryouts”.
August 9, 2013 at 6:10 am #43007DJ Vintage
ModeratorYep. One of the reasons to say only do 1-hour (or hour and a half or something) trial, is that it will truly be a trial and not a way to get someone in for free to do an entire night. If you are only there for an hour, they will still have to pay for the regular DJ(s) to show up. That way you are sure you are not being taken advantage of.
Greetinx,
C.August 12, 2013 at 5:03 am #43062Lamid45G
ParticipantHellow Stirct Rules, DC Iz in da houzeee !!! welcome to the forum, and err no im not from DC, but I always dyin to say that =p
As many of the good folks here already points out, since this is your first time at this particular club and your first time to get your hands on CDJ, yeah keep it simple…
IF you come in bring in your DDJ controller, here’s what happened…
1. More than likely there’s going to be another DJ playing before or after you, so you be like “Excuszzze me err pardon me i want to plug here my controlla !!!….ow yeah wheres this plug goes into again? err do you have flashlight? I cant seee …”
2. That DJ WILL give you a I freakin slap in your face look that’s for sure …. heck I Would !
And you not gonna feel and look like a pro at all, believe me LOLAnd what kind of CDJ is in the club ? CDJ 2000 ? 2000 Nexus ? ?
Be a good idea if you can drop by the day before your gig to check the stuff out, hell even take a pic of the setup and learn it at home, It’s annoying when you start playing and you trying to figure out wheres this button that button…(and in the dark)I wouldnt even bother to do the 3 hot cue points, fancy stuff,
Stick with the basic, Cue button, Play Button, Next & Previous Button, your pitch control, and just mix smoothly
PS please be careful with the sliding thing under the pioneer LCD screen (dont know what its called), cause you can accidentally skip the track with that ( i did LOL)SO yeah CD’s, backup CD’s, and USB as your sekret weapon
August 12, 2013 at 5:56 am #43065DJ Vintage
ModeratorIt’s called “Needle Drop” and let’s you “drop” the virtual “needle” anywhere in the track.
August 12, 2013 at 6:53 am #43078Lamid45G
ParticipantChuck van Eekelen, post: 43222, member: 2756 wrote: It’s called “Needle Drop” and let’s you “drop” the virtual “needle” anywhere in the track.
Ah so THAT’s what its called lol, thank you !
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