EDM and newness.
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September 10, 2012 at 1:45 pm #1011949
DeeJay SiBoogie
ParticipantEDM is such a wide net to cast. I play Tech, Deep and Soulful House along with other genres like Trance, Techno and Progressive. I like to use long transitions loops and vocal over lays to create new sounds. Playing the latest track isn’t really a must for me as I want to try to create a unique sound of my own without being a producer. However, I do try to keep up with the latest pre releases. If you and your friend are talking about commercial/club/vocal/chart remixes then new will always be wanted along with the classics. What do you play?
September 10, 2012 at 3:36 pm #1011952J-Zed
ParticipantIt’s because every dj wants to be the first to drop that new track, but it really doesn’t matter. Most party goers can’t even tell anyways, so just a nice blend of old & new usually works.
September 10, 2012 at 7:49 pm #1011964Jahit Halil
Participantwhen i play electronic i play mainly deep/soulful/tech/jazzy house/tribal,,, it can be so overwhelming with all the new releases that sometimes i get locked into a paralysis and think well i can only purchase a few tracks so inevitably im always behind the curve but i guess that’s normal when your not a proffessional dj.
September 10, 2012 at 8:32 pm #1011969Tony Youll
MemberI disagree with this if I’m honest. It’s totally dependent on the crowd. I could be mixing and see a couple of old heads in the crowd, drop a few 90’s rave tracks like Zombie Nation & Sandstorm and it will instantly be a night to remember. Dropping those unreal classics are just as important as playing the newest. I think if you’re lucky enough to get hold of a bootleg of a track by someone, dropping it is a total must.
I’m all for trying to find old beats that go well with newer dance music.
September 11, 2012 at 2:56 am #1011986D-Jam
ParticipantI used to get that song and dance a lot in the 90s and 00s. I would see guys literally spend $100 per week on vinyl to have “new stuff”, and then ridicule those who didn’t play new stuff all the time…or whine and complain how the clubs are so “behind” and how life is so much better in Europe.
I live by a saying: “Don’t rock a crowd with 20 new promos you just got. Rock them with 20 years of great music.”
Anyone can run out, but a ton of new tunes, and play them. A good or brilliant DJ can make music from different generations work together. Danny Teneglia was big at this with his DTourism night.
My last recent trance mix, Sensational, has music all the way back to 2008 and 2009. Music nuts would say I’m not keeping up, but I like to compile a solid, high-quality set for a mix I upload. I like having good tunes that I have not played in other trance mixes. I’d rather play a set spanning years over cramming together 12-14 “ok” tunes that have a recent release date.
Should you keep up? Yes…especially if you’re a mainstream music DJ. However, that’s really only so you’re ahead of the crowds. So you get a new Lady Gaga tune and then two months later the radio is pumping it and people are requesting it. You’re ahead of the game then.
HOWEVER, when you go outside of what the radio is playing, you can’t keep up. It’s impossible with the large amount of music being released every week. I generally shop once a month, and even then the shopping cart gets many tunes that are months or years old. I just buy what I come across that sounds good. I stopped looking at “release date” as a deciding.
Outside of the big anthems and mainstream hits…pretty much everyone isn’t going to know how “new” your music is. Not even DJs. I can listen to mixes and not know if something is 2 days or 2 years old. Your goal should be to make SOLID SETS and to play a nice variety to the crowd.
The “newness” thing was big when vinyl was dominant…but with digital there’s so much stuff released every week that everything ends up being “new” until the masses have heard it many times over.
September 11, 2012 at 4:36 am #1011988Reason808
ParticipantI’d say every EDM genre creates about 5 tracks a year that reach the pantheon of “classic” status, and about 20 others that are close. You can easily create a set of 20 “perfect” songs going back only four years, and that’s being strict with your genres and selections.
I think most new releases are pretty forgettable and disposable. Granted I’m old school, and not out in the field these days, but I bet most people still dance to music because of its inherent quality – not it’s release date.
Also, I don’t think styles change that fast, even with the internet. I’d say it takes a few months for a music style to catch on in the underground, and another 3 months as each new group of people disover it – so you’re up to a full year to get a style noticed. If its really good, it’ll take longer to fade away.
When I was DJing in situations in NYC where I thought I had an extremely fickle and trendy crowd, it was extremely rare to have somebody complain that my music was ‘old.’ Even then, it was usually a trainspotter, DJ wannabe or the odd music snob. However, I’d run into these types with equal frequency at my uncool wedding and suburban gigs. So from my experience, I don’t think club crowds are as ‘newness’ oriented as your friend thinks.
September 11, 2012 at 8:10 am #1011999bru
ParticipantI don`t agree with newness being paramount. Its nice to play fresh tracks but not every track released will fit your sound. When I get on beatport I struggle to find more than a couple of tracks I like enough to play.
September 11, 2012 at 11:09 pm #1012046Strictly T
ParticipantIt’s a difficult question – I am on a life long mission to discover new music and have a passion for weird techno music, with a soft spot for house music, but with so much music out there my new stuff can often be old tracks I have missed 🙂
The main problem that I am addressing at the moment is to stop buying records on a whim – really listen to a tune before I buy so I can ensure it is quality. Early in the year I was buying too many new tunes and I probably dont even listen to half of it!
September 12, 2012 at 3:14 am #1012054TheReturn
MemberI don’t understand where he got the idea of EDM being only based on ‘newness’.
In my opinion, if you do only focus on what is new, you restrict your ability to be creative.
September 12, 2012 at 7:58 am #1012058Terry_42
KeymasterI play what I feel is right. Some may be new, some may be 15 years old.
September 12, 2012 at 12:22 pm #1012080Stazbumpa
ParticipantIt does depend on the crowd, which is where the DJ crowd reading skills come in, but generally speaking I find that most gigs I play require a spread of music, new, newish, and the some classics. Playing brand spanking new stuff all night only really works when you’re entertaining other DJ’s or, more likely, trying to impress them. The crowd are what counts so entertain and, where possible, educate them. Dig out those classic tunes!
September 12, 2012 at 3:08 pm #1012086Jahit Halil
Participantİ do agree that a solid diverse set within any genre is important… i guess if your a working a dj than perhaps playing the latest releases is more important to you…but i tend to focus on what sounds good rather than its release date.
September 12, 2012 at 11:20 pm #1012101D-Jam
ParticipantTheReturn, post: 28460, member: 2640 wrote: I don’t understand where he got the idea of EDM being only based on ‘newness’.
Before Beatport and DVS, you mainly bought vinyl, or some were all over Kazaa downloading rips and stolen unreleased stuff from the big names. You had scarcity, so one could see what was “new” and what wasn’t.
IMHO…I loved how digital destroyed that. More new people, more competition, and thus more chances to find your own sound and your own unique stuff.
September 13, 2012 at 12:41 am #1012105TheReturn
MemberD-Jam, post: 28509, member: 3 wrote: Before Beatport and DVS, you mainly bought vinyl, or some were all over Kazaa downloading rips and stolen unreleased stuff from the big names. You had scarcity, so one could see what was “new” and what wasn’t.
IMHO…I loved how digital destroyed that. More new people, more competition, and thus more chances to find your own sound and your own unique stuff.
Thats not quite what I was getting at.
I always thought EDM just an umbrella word used to describe a bunch of electronic genres.
I wasn’t aware that people like the poster’s friend also see EDM as a concept or ‘way of life’ that dictates how and why music should be played and appreciated.
September 13, 2012 at 7:21 am #1012108backtothefront
ParticipantI see it slightly differently; ‘EDM’ is a recent construct, more a sub genre of dance music as a whole, I’d never heard of the term until a few years ago when Guetta, SHM, Skrillex starting entering the US mainstream Top40.
With regard to the OP’s point on newness, for me it’s always been about mixing up the old with the new, a track doesn’t stop being great after 1 month. There’s a good 25 years of House music to choose from.
D-Jam, I hear what you’re saying however I do miss the chasing down of limited quantities of tracks on vinyl, the visits to record shops, building a rapport with the guys behind the counter etc etc – it was also a great way to get gigs and meet others in the local scene; it was part of the DJing experience for me. The advent of digital DJing has seriously reduced my expenditure which is a good thing however there is an awful lot of tracks being released, most of which are mediocre at best. I do find it a little soulless scrolling through various sites, clicking and listening to samples sometimes.
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