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February 23, 2012 at 9:34 am #15475
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February 23, 2012 at 11:20 am #15480mr_john
MemberWhoever owns that place is an idiot for hiring him. I can’t decide if you should sell yourself on being able to blow him out of the water or what. Maybe they know him. How you come to own a club without knowing what DJ is… I can’t even imagine. Yes you should go to management and say “your DJ is a joke, hire me” Provided he’s not someone’s son or something.
I’ve never in my life seen a “DJ” do this. Even the guy who did the children’s parties and the music for the skating rink put at least a little thought into it. The closest I can get to this is house parties where some jerk puts on his ipod and plays the same 20 songs, of course pausing it while he stares stupidly at the screen to look for a new song.
February 23, 2012 at 11:42 am #15482durtyjerzy609
Memberif you want a shot, you have to approach it as a business man. go in and explain to them how youve been there a few times and seen what the place was like, tell them youve talked to patrons about the music and what they thought (even if its a itsy bitsy lie) and be prepared to low ball the price to get in the door… tell them about your online presence (facebook and whatever other sites ur on) and explain to them .. hey this is what i have to offer.. ask for one or two nights a week at a given price… have em try you out for 3 months and if there bar sales dont increase of if the floor starts to empty… youll walk with no hurt feelings… but if you do well and there wallet gets fat… youll expect a few more nights and a lil more money…. bar/club owners really could care less about what a dj plays or how they play… as long as they make money… and if you can show em that you can make them more money than they are gettin… youll be in there for sure
February 23, 2012 at 11:45 am #15483DJ Hane K
ParticipantI’ve seen this happen at a local rock/metal dive. For some unfathomable reason the place has a dj-booth and a dance floor, although I have never seen anyone actually dance, but then again I don’t exactly frequent the place either.
The few times I’ve been there, being the curious soul that I am, I’ve sort of wandered to the general vicinity of the dj-booth to surreptitiously peek over the guy’s shoulder to see what he’s playing on, and boom – same thing. Laptop with winamp or something open. Then again, I guess heavy metal isn’t exactly the sort of music one can beatmatch or mix (?), so understandable in that sense… but why the place bothers to have a person sitting there is beyond me.
Maybe it’s an image thing? As in “Look, we’re a cool, hip place, we’ve got a dj and everything!”
February 23, 2012 at 2:50 pm #15499Papa Bear
MemberI have seen this happen not too long ago on a great after exams party of my gf. About 700 people, a gym, large speakers, light and strobes and all the fancy stuff you could really beat the $hit out of the crowd with – but the dj was the typical poser 6itch. Wearing a muscle shirt, doing nice gestures to the ladies, and all he did was letting a playlist in winamp run through, disappear from the stage, typing messages on his phone…
I was going nuts that I had not taken my gear with me…
I HATE THOSE FOLKS! 😉February 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm #15501durtyjerzy609
Memberevery get the feeling when you go out… and see the dj pull this “im not really dj’in ” routine… that ur watchin david guetta at an awards show? lol what a role model he is
February 23, 2012 at 3:18 pm #1003076Spot-Trix
MemberWinamp and Itunes open transitioning his songs completely manually between the two and it sounded horrendous
haha it would piss me off a lot more if he sounded good and was still getting paid to use only those two programs, as a new DJ I am still amazed at the widspread diversity of this hobby and how every individual is so unique in his or her own settup, still a shame to see someone like that in the Booth. Hopefully you killed it when you got up there so he looked very unprofessional.
February 23, 2012 at 4:56 pm #15512IznremiX
Participantmr_john, post: 15553, member: 87 wrote: Whoever owns that place is an idiot for hiring him. I can’t decide if you should sell yourself on being able to blow him out of the water or what. Maybe they know him. How you come to own a club without knowing what DJ is… I can’t even imagine. Yes you should go to management and say “your DJ is a joke, hire me” Provided he’s not someone’s son or something.
I’ve never in my life seen a “DJ” do this. Even the guy who did the children’s parties and the music for the skating rink put at least a little thought into it. The closest I can get to this is house parties where some jerk puts on his ipod and plays the same 20 songs, of course pausing it while he stares stupidly at the screen to look for a new song.
I understand the frustration here, I feel it too. However I’d say this is a bad idea, the owner probably has some sort of friendship with the dj. Theres actually a couple guys where I live who “dj” like that, and they actually get paid more than everyone else. Honestly if a place doesn’t bring in guest djs, the only chance you have at spinning there is by befriending this dj :p
Also it was good that you were able to split the person and dj side of him and still recognize he was a “nice guy” in general :p
February 26, 2012 at 4:31 am #15672Reason808
ParticipantThis is just an occupational hazard of creative work. There’s always somebody less talented who will get a better job or more money than you. I’ve seen it so many times, that I just throw my hands up in the air. This is a pretty glaring example though. But that happens.
February 26, 2012 at 6:09 am #156782SHAE!
Participantreason808, post: 15745, member: 831 wrote: There’s always somebody less talented who will get a better job or more money than you..
I defiantly understand that within reason. But the reason I posted this was because this guy, in my opinion, was unimaginable to be in a place where he could use the word “DJ” in front of his name. In example, leaving mine, or anyones computer at the DJ booth plugged in to the PA, playing a current top 40 Itunes playlist with the shuffle on and crossfader up would of sounded better then paying this guy hundreds of dollars for SITTING (yes, sitting) behind his computer unviewable to the crowd, creating trainwreck after trainwreck. Ill never judge anyone for their DJ talents or there set up, seeing as I’m no Tiesto my self. But I believe there is an experience level at which a DJ should reach before playing in public, especially if they are getting generously paid. Im not saying you have to scratch well, cuepoint juggle to skip/switch verses or hooks, use samples, use effects, intro/outro loop beatmatch, or even properly make a standard beatmatch/blend for all i care. I just think you should be able to play one song after the other, and perform well to YOUR crowd who are solely there to have a good time. I think he could simply get away with this because the place is not the greatest venue in the world and is really the only place people go in my town. Im sure he also has connections with the owner of some sort.
February 26, 2012 at 6:59 am #15683Reason808
ParticipantMaybe I should update my original statement:
and there’s occasionally somebody HORRIBLY less talented who will get a better job or more money than you..
When I lived in LA 5yrs ago, I couldn’t believe how bad the DJs were. Auto-sync probably made their beats match, but the phrasing was horrible. They’d suddenly fade out of a power chorus to an intro, the energy was up and down all night. I was going crazy. Not as bad as the DJ you mention, but I saw this pattern at multiple places weekend nights in all the top LA hotspots – in a city full of the world’s top entertainment professionals. Did my co-workers mind? No their eyes lit up when they recognized every (predictably familiar hit) song. . . I’ve also seen jaw-dropping incompetence in the professional creative world, too.
However, this sounds like a good opportunity for you. I’d say you should guest DJ at this place, when the owner sees the huge improvement you’ve made, you’ll probably get a gig there. The owner is comparing you to Mr. Winamp not Tiesto. Who knows, the owner may not know a thing about the DJ scene, and found this guy because its a cousin or something like that. But be diplomatic — I got a lot of my first gigs replacing shit DJs by being nice. Sometimes the crappy DJs enjoyed working with me. They admired my mixing ability and the energy I brought into the place.
February 26, 2012 at 7:24 am #15684squarecell
ParticipantI live in a small town in Northern Canada. I went to a local dance the other night at the community hall (which owns about $10K worth of house sound and lighting equipment)… the DJ had a $30 CD boombox which he was routing into the mixboard and playing his tunes from there.
February 28, 2012 at 7:48 am #15835Rattfink
MemberI’ve been a victim of this sort of thing, but in my case it was a manager who honestly didn’t care. I played at a weekly uni bar night for a few months, absolutely loving it and blowing the place away. I was also paid decently well for my services and I had (what I thought) was a good relationship with the management. However at the start of the new semester I found myself without my weekly gig: I had been usurped by a kid with a laptop. This guy got the gig because he was doing it for free. Sadly, since I’d put so much work into making this night go off, the same crowds showed up when this guy was playing songs on his iTunes and the management figured that he’d work just as well as I had. I got a bunch of texts/FB messages asking where I’d gone/that he was crap and they missed me, but the majority of uni kids going to the bar were looking at getting pissed and hooking up, not for a sick DJ.
What I learned from this was that you can’t always compete with free. If the venue that you’re looking to take over isn’t really affected by trainwrecking laptop “DJs” then you won’t be able to offer anything valuable. Look for venues where your skills will be appreciated! And beware the free DJ!
February 28, 2012 at 10:35 am #158402SHAE!
ParticipantTo sum everyone up that read my entire first post…Ok so today I went down to the venue that the original “DJ” was at to talk to management about getting a DJ gig. I had all my business cards, mix tape, and business pitch ready to go. However, when I walked in and mentioned about spinning for them, they wouldn’t even give me the time of day. They simply did not care what I had to say, or the previous experience Ive had with live gigs at venues 4 times the size. When I mentioned I would even do it for free just to test me out, they found another excuse to get me out the door even faster. They simply did not care about the music or what kind of money they could potentially be making with a more experienced DJ. So I walked out, went next door to their less busy rival bar, took a shot of tequila (1800 of course), and asked the bartender/owner if they were interested in a DJ for the weekends to level the competition of the other place. They seemed quite open to the idea after 20 minutes of pitching to the management that live music, solo guitarists, and bands don’t attract large crowds like DJs do nowadays. so I’m currently looking forward to a call back. This place just opened up so I think I got a good chance. So heres a lesson for anyone that is new to getting DJ gigs. If you get rejected the first time…DONT STOP…you know your talented enough to play live. Take a shot of something strong (not from the venue that denied you) and move on to the next one. Eventually you will find your spot like I’m hoping I do. Have any further advise for my next step, or have a story similar to this? Id love to hear about it.
Cheers from Boston,
–2SHAE!–
February 28, 2012 at 11:58 am #1003135durtyjerzy609
MemberIf you aint grindin’ you wont suceed…. feet on the pavement is how you get the work… its a numbers game… the more places you ask, the better the chance you have at gettn a yes.
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