Does anybody else find this to be a little bit "cheating" in the world of DJing?
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November 4, 2013 at 9:49 am #1015847
Terry_42
KeymasterYes it is cheating, but yes most audiences in the right ambient setting will not notice first hand.
However I strongly belief that I bring more energy to an audience that a pre-made mix and that I can turn the tide in situations where he could not. He eventually will end up with a gig outside his safety zone and a more demanding audience and will fail…. I have seen it often enough.
I have often enough been re-hired at a higher rate than before, after I was sacked for that “awesome cool (fake) DJ” that did it for cheap had run into the brick wall of a demanding audience…
November 4, 2013 at 10:01 am #1015857DJ Vintage
ModeratorAye, major cheating … but as Terry_42 said he’ll shortly run into that proverbial wall. Or be stuck in very undemanding (and by extension boring) venues and parties. He’ll never have an audience go ape after you carefully built up to an epic climax.
Greetinx,
Chuck
November 4, 2013 at 10:18 am #1015868Terry_42
KeymasterIndeed, imagine yourself being stuck on 2nd base for the whole game… 😉
November 4, 2013 at 3:07 pm #1015876Silvercue Master
Participantis it cheating? Debatable. Is Synch cheating or a shortcut. Again a debate that will go on and on.
However….what the heck is the point??? Music should be about passion. DJing should be about enjoying what you are doing and being creative. This guy is not being creative. Lame is what I would call it.
November 4, 2013 at 5:53 pm #1015880Branden
ParticipantThank you for all your replies!
I say ‘SYNC’ is not cheating, because, as Terry_42 would agree with me (referencing the post he had made to me on another thread) the SYNC button is just a tool. The SYNC button is useless to a DJ who can’t properly mix or beat-match. One little ‘SYNC’ button cannot make anybody a DJ. If this was true, I should be able to find a stranger on the street who has never DJ’d before, introduce them to the sync button, and they will be awesome DJ’s (which would never happen).
Besides, the SYNC button never properly lines up beats, anyways. I use the SYNC just to quickly get them to the same BPM if I’m in a rush to provide for a smooth transition. But I use cue points, scratching and my ears to line up beats.
November 5, 2013 at 9:59 am #1015928Silvercue Master
ParticipantThe point I am making is that they are points that can be debated – technically the answer that people often put forward in defence of SYNCH is “it’s about the music”. That argument is just as valid a defence in this case.
Personally I use SYNCH, but that does npot get the tunes spot on – still work to be done.
Would I do what this guy has done – no way. Never. Not in a million years. In fact if I owned a bar or small club I wouldn’t employ him to play there – may as well play an ipod.
Actually it is worse than that as if the songs have been pre-mixed, he is effectively passing some else’s work off as his own. That is not cool IMHO.
November 5, 2013 at 10:18 am #1015932DJ Vintage
ModeratorIn the old days people like John “Jellybean” Benitez and Ben Liebrand would create remixes of popular dance tracks. They were commercially available, usually as 12″ versions. Typically they’d be much longer, with extra breaks, longer intro’s and outro’s and sometimes other “fx” thrown in (remember these were the days of physically cutting and pasting audio tape and dubbing with multiple tape decks).
Was it cheating to use those remixes instead of the standard (often radio)mix? I don’t think so. Those extended mixes gave a DJ lots of extra creative space. Playing a mixtape by another DJ, which encompassed multiple tracks was an absolute no-no. You’d listen to those mixes in the car, on your walkman or at home. But if you were anywhere near serious about your craft, you’d never play them in public and try to pass them off as your own work.
There is a difference between using a tool like a Sync button (for which cotrect working a lot of prep work is needed, like setting 1st beat, beatgridding and such) and playing a mix someone else made Imho. The first is a choice every DJ has to make for himself. Sometimes I will use Sync sometimes I won’t. I will never play another DJ’s mix though. As said before, a good remix is a different story.
Greetinx,
Chuck
November 5, 2013 at 1:04 pm #1015937Terry_42
KeymasterTotally agree with Chuck on this one…
November 5, 2013 at 9:22 pm #1016000Raggy
ParticipantWould personnally get bored being behind the deck for 5 minutes pretendig to mix
I sometime use some mashup things that hype the crowd for like a minute or 2 or longer if I have to leave the deck for a longer time.
Otherwise premixed transition and things like that are kinda lazy.
November 6, 2013 at 10:54 pm #1016154Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantI don’t see it as “cheating”, but I do see it as “risky”.
In the past we would see megamixes made and given to DJs. They would contain tunes from one artist, or one label, or even just a megamix of big tunes of the moment. I don’t see an issue making things like this to play in the club, especially if they do interesting production trickery to spice things up.
Now…I say “risky” though because what do you do when one tune of your three-tune megamix is deemed “old” and “done”, and now you just cleared the floor?
Seems like too much trouble to do all this outside of straight mixing. I could see it as ideal for when you need to go to the bathroom.
November 7, 2013 at 9:04 am #1016178Terry_42
KeymasterI think he is not talking about those megamixes that most of the time contain 3-4 songs of the same artist, but of mixes like you sometimes find on Cafe Del Mar or Kontor CDs, which is basically all songs of the CD mixed for a 90min set.
But I also agree on the megamixes, I actually never play any except one occasion:
If you are DJing a wedding and the bathroom is really far away, I put on a megamix to have enough time to get there and back…
November 7, 2013 at 11:48 am #1016202Silvercue Master
Participantbut what’s the point anyway? You wouldn’t take a girl home and get some else to play here would you?
…err..would you?
November 7, 2013 at 6:11 pm #1016238Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantI’m just saying everyone has their own workflow. If someone wants to buy three songs, mix them into one MP3 (even if it sounds like they’re just regularly DJing them) and then play those, it’s their prerogative.
As I said, it’s only risky if you end up with one of the songs clearing the floor or the crowd wanting the music changed.
I could say it’s lazy, but I won’t call it cheating. If someone played someone else’s mix CD, then it’s cheating.
November 8, 2013 at 12:25 am #1016251DJ Vintage
ModeratorHey D-Jam,
Direct quote from OP: “Impressed, I asked him if he remixed those himself. He said no, that he gets most of his tracks from DJ pools.”
This clearly means the guy is NOT making these remixes himself (which definitely would be lazy, making nice transitions in the peace and quiet of your home, with the opportunity to try again if you don’t like the result or use DAW’s to fix things up), but getting mixes from OTHER DJs and plays them at a gig.
Apart from it being a compliment for the original mixer, it IS cheating imho :D.
Greetinx,
Chuck
November 13, 2013 at 2:12 am #1016487Harold Tan
ParticipantI say that’s not DJing. It’s just plain playing music. Anyone can load a track on a CD player or a laptop or iPod and press play. All that guy did was blend in pre-recorded mixes. Heck, he can do the Jesus pose, that is if the crowd continues dancing to the music. But if the crowd doesn’t really feel the pre-recorded mixes, that guy, who is more of a spinner than a DJ, would be in trouble with empty floors, or worse, empty venues.
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