Do you use MP3 ID3 tagging software?

Emma Partnow, post: 4037 wrote: Cool :cool:;

Do you know if Traktor Creates Seperate Files for my Tracks; as I don’t really have a Great Deal of Space left (as Ableton has already built quite a Large Folder already of Analysed Files ?

Traktor doesn’t duplicate anything just links to the original.

I didn’t think about that. The Native Instruments folder is quite large after it analyzes your collection. According to iTunes I have 46 gigs on my laptop with 5,000+ songs and my NI folder is almost 5 gigs. If you’ve got songs that are beatgrided make sure to lock them before you analyze them to keep the grids from shifting. You can also right click on the message are on the bottom (may need to turn that on in preferences) and save as it’s doing its thing. That’s nice so that you don’t have to start over from the beginning of something happens.

A greater understanding of how other programs work can, but not always, lead to developing new and exciting ways to use the programs you’re comfortable with.

Your beatgrids were more than likely off as they’re what tells Traktor how to sync the tracks. You can study the keyboard mapping in that thread to see how the default mapping sets cue points. You’ll more than likely need to go into preferences and tell Traktor your using the keyboard mapping by setting the in port to keyboard. There is no out for keyboard mappings since there’s no LED feedback.

Bartboy, post: 3917 wrote: I just recently purchased BeaTunes and I like it. But I’m having a little trouble getting around in it. I previously used MIK to key my songs and for a long time I have been looking for a different program to do this. After reading Phil’s article about it I decided to give it a go. I’m not sure if it’s because I used MIK before but I can see in BeaTunes that the Key for the song is say F# Major and then BeaTunes uses a similar style to MIK but it doesn’t post this is the Key section of the Track when I open Traktor it just shows me the actual Key. I have printed out the Circle of Fifths to memorize instead. I’m still working on getting the Playlists working. For some reason everyone of my tracks is rated in Traktor but the ratings do not show up in BeaTunes.

Hi,

First of all – I really appreciate this question, as it lets me explain the difference between a value itself and a rendering of that same value.

Here we go:

beaTunes detects keys and writes that information to the (in the case of mp3s) id3 tags of your audio file. It does this exactly as specified in the id3 specification, posted at http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames#line-385 There it’s clearly stated that programs, if they want to conform to the id3 standard, must write musical keys names to the TKEY tag. E.g. D Flat Minor (Camelot: 12A, Open Key Notation (OKN): 5m) must be written as “Dbm”. Very simple.

Any software that correctly implements the id3 specification does exactly that. Because it ensures interoperability, that is a good thing.

Now, you might argue that you really don’t care about the musical name of the key, you want to see notation XYZ in your software and therefore programs should be allowed to write XYZ notation to the TKEY tag.

And here comes the point I mentioned at the beginning. If all programs wrote the key correctly in the way the spec states it should be written (i.e. “Dbm”), other software that reads the tag, can rely on the TKEY string having that format and then choose to render it in another way, e.g. as “12A” or “5m” or “@#$”.

There is no need to write the key in any other format to the tag.
There is just a need to render it in different ways.

“Dbm” is the standard way to encode D Flat Minor, while any software displaying the TKEY field should decode this value to show, i.e. render, the actual name in whatever notation the user chooses. This is exactly what beaTunes does. It renders the key name as musical name and additionally in OKN (http://www.beatunes.com/open-key-notation.html). In order to conform to the id3 spec, it does not write any fancy notation to the TKEY tag, because that would make it hard for other software to properly handle the tag.

Ideally, Native Instruments added functionality to their software that lets you choose the notation you would like to see your keys in. I really hope they do this. Perhaps contacting Native Instruments support helps to speed up the process.

The second issue: I’m not sure what kind of ratings you are referring to and whether Traktor embeds these in the files. Therefore it’s hard to give a good answer.

However, if you have beaTunes specific questions, please check out http://help.beatunes.com/

Hope this helped,

-hendrik
(author of beaTunes)

Bartboy, post: 4167 wrote: Thanks for the great reply. Is there a way to get Beatunes to write whichever Key Format I choose to a different field like the comments or append to Track Title. It’s a great piece of software even if it takes a few hours to analyze 1500 songs but I have to sleep sometime :p The Key issue isn’t my biggest concern now though.

I have painstakingly made sure the ratings in my tracks were all correct and in Traktor they are. In every other program with one exception they never show up. The one exception being MediaMonkey. I no longer use MediaMonkey as I have had to pack away my PC. Every program from itunes, beatunes, and some others that escape me at the moment.

The only reason this is a problem is that my rating system is my little system to know where in a set a song would usually fit best. If I rate it a 5 it’s a peak time song, 2’s a warmup or possible discard, … so on and so forth. I would love to have the ability to see my Ratings in BeaTunes to make playlists with. If you have any input on this that would be fantastic.

Bartboy,

please check out http://yeahdef.com/?p=6255 – perhaps it does what you want (this is a third party plugin – I have not tested this myself).
The problem with the id3 rating field (POPM) is that it is specific to an email address – in Traktor’s case the address “[email]traktor@native-instruments.de[/email]”.

If you feel like trying out the latest (as of 7/19/11) development snapshot for OS X (assuming you are on OS X), download http://www.beatunes.com/download/beaTunes-3-0-3-SNAPSHOT-osx.dmg – when creating new libraries, it should pick up the Traktor rating.

Anyhow, since this is starting to look a lot like support, I’d like to suggest to take further discussion to the appropriate place, i.e. http://help.beatunes.com/

Thanks,

-hendrik

I use Jaicoz for Mac
http://www.jthink.net/jaikoz/
It is an OK prog

//DJ Hessler