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  • May 1, 2014 at 2:11 am #2025768
    Yared Lee
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    Jungle is still mainly confined to the UK’s Dub scene. I can’t give you a large list. You can find alot of Jungle mixed in with the darker Dub songs.

    You can look up Kahn and Flowdan

    May 2, 2014 at 4:49 am #2025921
    Alex Moschopoulos
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    This jungle?

    May 2, 2014 at 10:07 am #2025952
    Warsuit
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    Got your back. I’m not in front of my computer (and therefore my jungle folder) at the moment but I’ll post a list of current producers making that same vibe these days tomorrow morning.

    May 2, 2014 at 4:17 pm #2026023
    Eliah Holiday
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    Lol @ The Time.

    I know DnB has taken over. I like the old Dub influenced stuff (though I dig Dillinja and some of the more aggressive Jungle too) Looking at doing a kinda Reggae/Jungle thing.

    May 2, 2014 at 4:52 pm #2026028
    Yared Lee
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    Ahh well, I can’t speak on Jungle all that much, but if it’s Reggae/Dub you’re looking for, I got you.

    I love the entire catalog from Alpha & Omega, Specifically “Sound System Dub” and “Watch And Pray”

    You can look up Panda Dub, I haven’t dug deep into their collection but I’ve heard a few good tracks

    The Militancy Riddim is a good look as well.

    I could go on and on and on, but those are a good place to start

    May 3, 2014 at 8:40 am #2026277
    Warsuit
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    I’m going to assume we mean old Ray Keith/old V Records/old Kenny Ken type jungle sounds here…not like, OG hardcore breaks DJ Trace type stuff. That I don’t have heaps of. Not all of these producers/artists will be 100% current because my crates are pretty deep and span years. I’ve ripped a lot of my vinyl to mp3. I’ll try to stick to things that are as current(ish) as possible, like within the last 5 years. This is far from an exhaustive list but it will get you pointed in the right direction…

    Benny Page
    Bladerunner
    Some of Calibre’s stuff
    Commix
    Cooks R
    DannyLO
    Deekline & Ed Solo
    Delecroix
    Dghon
    Dijeyow
    DJ Apse
    Double O
    Duoscience
    Eveson
    Fireinthehole
    Genotype (try to find the Ritual Dance EP from 2010)
    Heretic
    Hoogs
    Isaac Maya (No Cocaine is a personal favorite of mine)
    Jazzsteppas
    Jrumhand
    Level 2
    Mark System (look for Love Dub from 2011)
    Mechanizm
    Mikkim
    Naphta
    Paradox
    Dub Pistols (might be a little too jump up-ish for what you’re looking for)
    Phat Playaz
    Phatworld (I F’ing LOVE Phatworld)
    Submerse
    Thing
    Warped Dynamics

    May 5, 2014 at 5:03 am #2026548
    Lamid45G
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    DJ Rap is she still around producing Jungle ? or mixtapes?

    May 5, 2014 at 10:23 am #2026591
    Alchemy432
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    I posted a pretty epic reply here earlier today which has disappeared which sux because I put alot of effort into it.

    I then posted something along the lines of ‘hey my post disappeared! why? :(” which never showed up so this is my last attempt.

    I gonna have to go with my gut and assume I posted too many links to you tube videos as this has been the case with other forums but its a bit disappointing to have my posts disappear without any notification that its happened.

    Jungle:
    Photek
    Adam F
    Andy C
    LTJ Bukem
    Congo Natty/Tribe of Issachar
    Hidden Agenda
    Sci-clone
    Alex Reese
    Wax Doctor
    DJ Ded
    London Elektricity
    Roni Size
    Omni Trio
    P-Funk
    Peshay
    J Majik
    Alladin
    Doc Scott
    Aphrodite & Micky Finn have a couple of good tunes too…

    also these guys whilst not typically jungle producers, have a few really good jungle tracks:
    Gaudi
    Lamb
    Apex Twin
    Thunderball
    Salmonella Dub

    Then for reggae/dub/jungle infuenced Liquid:
    MIR Crew
    Big Bud
    Benny Page
    Bungle
    Future Prophecies
    High contrast
    Sub Focus
    Shy FX
    Serial Killaz
    EZ Rollers

    Peace

    May 6, 2014 at 5:49 am #2026746
    Warsuit
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    So often I come across as a jerk on the internet, bit here I go anyway.

    A lot of the artists you just posted are either many many years defunct or are full on drum & bass. Not “jungle” at all.

    @rizki…DJ Rap has been silent for a long time sadly. Her and Kenny Ken co-authored some bad ass stuff back in the dayo though.

    May 6, 2014 at 7:20 am #2026751
    Alchemy432
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    “A lot of the artists you just posted are either many many years defunct or are full on drum & bass. Not “jungle” at all.”

    When I first posted my reply I linked to a song from every artist I listed that was undeniably jungle. this post got deleted, not by me and I don’t know why. what is ironic is in the original post I literally wrote the same thing about your post. something along the lines of:

    “+1 for benny page, eveson & duoscience, all good stuff there, but all liquid, not jungle”

    I posted 3 lists, the 2nd & 3rd where clearly labeled as not jungle. So I’m going to assume you’re referring to the first list and that you don’t just go around half reading s**t and then addressing the arms and legs without acknowledging the rest of the body.

    everyone in the first list has produced excellent jungle tunes. this is fact.
    what I will agree with you about is that yes, those tunes I’m thinking of are old.
    However some not as old as you may think though, the artists listed there produced good jungle tunes from 94′-2007ish or more recent off the top of my head.

    Also while I agree that some of the artists listed are ‘defunct’ as you put it, many of those artists are not ‘defunct’.
    Photek, Andy C, LTJ Bukem, Congo Natty/Tribe of Issachar, London Elektricity, Roni Size, all produced jungle tunes in the 90’s and still produced tunes is the 00’s and most of are still releasing tunes today. now the tunes they release today are not jungle, but in the 90’s it was.

    So that addresses your point about whether things are jungle or not.
    now to explain why I posted some older tunes…

    The thread author posted “Looking at doing a kinda Reggae/Jungle thing.” and mentioned that they loved the jungle from the 90’s & was aware that ‘dnb had taken over’.

    I only know of a handful of modern jungle tunes, I noticed that many of the artists you listed I’d not heard before, so I thought, I’ll post the ones he didn’t mention, they may not all still be making jungle, the tunes may be old but at least its jungle; and perhaps the thread author will see some in their he’d not heard before and choose to use them in his ‘thing’ regardless of the tunes being ‘old’.

    So that’s it.

    However if you want to you can continue reading to understand what my own personal definition of ‘jungle’ is.

    Peace.


    Off the top of my head and from the perspective of a producer my definition of jungle is as follows:

    primarily sinewave/trianglewave mono phonic basslines that sound smooth and very low & ‘subby’.

    if reese synth are used, or any other bass oriented or low-mid/mid synth its typically as fx or ‘thin’ lead ornamentation, there isn’t often any real main lead synth or low-mid/mid focus, focus is on the bass melodically & minimal ‘keys’ style instruments and pads in the ‘hi’ range.

    the rhythm is all about the drum kit. the kits are based on the amen break in sound, or jazz kits, or rearranged loops that are similar to jazz/amen kits and rhythms. the most important & defining characteristic of jungle is drum pattern/rhythm exploration & experimentation, delay, stutter, loop & filter fx are used in breaks, fills & variations along with the rhythmic changes for extra effect and to further liberate creativity. There are often very big reverbs used with the perc & kit elements to fill the space created by the minimal instrumentation.

    The style was popularized with pioneer producer alex reese and originally the genre was quite minimal and a slower tempo of 155-165bpm. throughout the 90’s it got faster, new sounds were being invented, new moods experimented with, and sub-genres grew out of it.

    so to my ears, ‘true’ jungle is the above.

    As for where jungle is today, I don’t know, I don’t hear jungle producers anymore, I don’t look for specific sub genres anymore, I gave that up in favour for the “this is good” or “this I don’t like” approach.

    However, I believe that if it doesn’t have the detailed drum pattern variation, and the minimal approach to everything else, its not jungle, its something else. What I do see are liquid, neurofunk and breakcore artists dabbling in the iconic sounds with a handful of tracks here and there. and I see how the elements of jungle have been reiterated into entirely new genres.
    My personal opinion is that the rhythmic exploration side of jungle continued to evolve and has ended up in breakcore, particularly I’m thinking ‘krumble’. but I think breakcore is now evolving again and on the one side we have ‘Igorrr’. on the other side we have ‘sinister souls’ and ‘cooh/balkansky’.

    nonetheless while all the other sub-genres of dnb i hear these days are typically sparse in rhythmic changes & exploration in a track say 10% variation, and old-school jungle was more 90% variation, the only place I hear that drum variation happening is with breakcore, and whatever Igorrr wishes to call his music.

    As for the general good vibes and jazz/funk mood and melodic elements of jungle liquid, anything ‘hospital’, anything jazz/funk influenced. which is quite a broad range of sounds. the darker side of jungle & the more upbeat nrg styles evolved into other sub genres.

    May 6, 2014 at 7:29 am #2026755
    Alchemy432
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    *correction*
    As for the general good vibes and jazz/funk mood and melodic elements of jungle that became liquid, anything ‘hospital’, anything jazz/funk influenced. which is quite a broad range of sounds. the darker side of jungle & the more upbeat nrg styles evolved into other sub genres of D&B.

    May 6, 2014 at 9:05 pm #2027694
    Warsuit
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    LOL…I know dude. I was there while that whole evolution took place. I guess I meant more along the lines of, say, Andy C: Quest was a bad ass jungle track…but it was a long time ago and the OP wanted recent artists. Personally, I’m against the hairsplitting that takes place in the “subgenrefication” of this thing we know and love that is electronic music. So props to both of us for giving the OP a road map he can follow wherever he wants to go.

    Sometimes I’m just contrary for no good reason, but I always mean well 😉

    May 7, 2014 at 6:41 am #2028359
    Alchemy432
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    cool that u were actually there for that, I’m in the wrong country and was a little kid when I heard my first jungle – t.power – horney mutant jazz 95’…. wasn’t till about 2004 that I got into dnb properly & for life.. first acid trip.. sitting in a voyager people mover type suv/van thing… listening to pendulum – voyager… blew my mind…

    I just appreciate the older stuff alot because so much of it is simply better & more creative then alot of what I hear today… we have slicker sounds these days louder compression presets and beefier mixes.. but less attention to atmosphere & mood… faster tempo’s vaster sub genres… but too much cut paste loop repeat.. too much paper chasin’ and trying to beat the clock… just my humble opinion…

    Hell yes quest. funny that u said it was badass, coz – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3PsT5Hynfc uses the same bass sound, I’m guessin’ they either sampled quest, or used/made the same synth… hard to tell for me coz discogs says both released 96′..

    anyway I’m gonna go now before I ramble any further.

    Peace

    May 7, 2014 at 10:10 pm #2029026
    Warsuit
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    To say I was there as in physically would be wrong. I was there chronologically though. I ordered a lot of tape packs. I live in Canada. But we were lucky enough to have Sniper and Ryan Ruckus and that whole Toronto crew representing for our side of the pond. Here in Calgary we have Fever, who started as a hardcore DJ under the name H8. That guy was and still is a true proper jungle soldier. He made the rounds of the globe with some of the Tru Playaz crew (still does with the Innovation crew…Phantasy, Shodan, etc.) and has always brought great sounds back home with him. Meeting and befriending Fever changed my jungle-life. He’s a bit…crusty. Not the easiest person to get on his good side. But it changed everything once I did.

    This is remotely topic related…so bear with me. I was playing a 3am slot at a promoters birthday party (our jungle/d&b parties were a very underground affair back then, not in the clubs at all. Very smokey and boozey, anything goes, sort of affairs). Fever steps up behind the decks and gives me “the nod”. I felt like a champ. He leans in and yells in my ear over the PA “you’re playing some real bangers tonight. too bad you’re not a better DJ, keep it up though, we’re having a good time”. There was a time when that ‘better DJ’ part would have crushed me…but I realized he was propping up the idea that you don’t have to be a perfect DJ…you just have to bring the heat in your record box.

    Fast forward a number of years. We’re at the pub having pints and I ask Fever, in his opinion, what exactly is the difference between jungle and drum & bass. His answer? Totally crusty. “If it sounds like computers, it’s drum & bass. If it’s the tunes you played the night we met proper? That’s jungle. What you play these days? That’s drum & bass. If it sucks, it’s drum & bass. Don’t get me started on dubstep…”

    Cranky.

    Anyway…my own personal opinion…jungle is a headspace. If an artists track gets you in that headspace (I’m thinking of the heavy jump-up sounds of Sensai, Tyke, etc here) then it’s still jungle. If it sounds like laZors and feels like light shows? That’s drum & bass. I like both.

    May 8, 2014 at 8:47 am #2029236
    Alchemy432
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    lol that’s classic. those were good tales bro, cheers for sharing. I think the thread author is off doing other things now so I don’t think they’d mind off topic-ness too much.

    I used to be in an event crew.. we did a few raves.. a few of those the same deal as u mentioned.. off the map.. underground.. anything goes.. theres also a psytrance/goa/psybient crew round here that do really fckn good underground outdoor raves too.. like 200kms from anything for 3 day weekends in a farmers fields.. those are awesome.

    that dj mate of urs has an interesting view bout dnb.. I think its always hard to talk about music in general because its art and art is subjective.

    What i find tho is that whether jump up, techstep, neurofunk, liquid, or whatever sub genre, there is a clear difference between the heavy on the synth stuff, and the stuff that has that more vinyl sampled/live band sound.. like to talk about the happier liquidish stuff its like say the diff between ‘InContext – Just believe’ or ‘brooks bros – tear you down’ which is that distinctive hospital sound VS. ‘atlantic connection – can’t destroy love’ or ‘DJ Ded – sweet honey cut’ which I see as more jungle influenced… I love both sounds.. but my favorite tracks blend both sounds & defy sub-genre categorization.. like ‘loudy – pharmacy in my mind’ or ‘muffler – mermaids’… and again this is just the happier side of dnb..

    then you got that same 2 sounds with hip hop.. you’ve got the crate digger beats.. and then the more synth based gangsta/krunk/trap stuff… j dilla or dj premier vs. dr.dre or lil’ john… but with hip hop I’m completely biased toward the crate digger sound…

    dubstep’s another funny genre to talk bout, you can compare it to dnb because it borrows so much from the genre, but the dubstep that I like is kind of its own new beast of a thing altogether. I associate dnb with raves but I find I group the kind of dubstep that i like with genres like soul, funk, hip hop in my mind.. I don’t want dubstep to sound like dnb.. but if it did – i’d want something like ‘bassnectar – here we go’ and nothing like skrillex, rusko etc..

    When you hear stuff like burial – gutted, james blake – limit to your love, shackleton – blood on my hands, balkansky – kuker, borgore – 5 years, jazzsteppa – investment decision, its not really that similar to dnb, or even ‘popular’ dubstep.. and if I was going to listen to ‘obviously dubstep’ style dubstep.. I haven’t found anything that is better then this track as of yet ‘coyote kisses – acid wolfpack’.. tidy synth work… very slick production..

    what u say bout jump-up style jungle is interesting, its like the other side of jungle (arguably the more popular side?) but the stuff that does it for me is the reaaaaal laid back chilled out jazz inspired stuff.. like hidden agenda – swing time, get carter, the wedge… more or less my favourite jungle right thar.. tho in all honestly my jungle collection is a small fraction of all the dnb i own..

    also I’ve been out of the loop for a while, only just discovering what I’ve missed over the last 2 years and trying to get up to date on everything again.. hence most of the tracks i just mentioned are several years old now..

    anyway its good to talk to someone with a broad taste in D&B open to tracks that share similar aesthetics over any strict rules etc.. I tend to think that producers don’t invent new things by strictly adhering to whatever came before them…

    Peace

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