Do you know any DJs who don't mix?
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May 23, 2012 at 8:26 pm #1004898
Arthur Kokanov
ParticipantIf it was mixing vs music selection, i’d go with the music selection. To me mixing is importaint to create a good flow of music, like water. If the mix lasts to long it will sound crowded with overlapping sounds from both songs, if the mix is too short it wont generate enough blend on the transition and thus leave what i call “Dead Beat” which to me is boring. Dropping in song after song sounds too choppy to me. Must be like water…
May 23, 2012 at 8:42 pm #1004899Hee Won Jung
ParticipantThere are way to many variables to define what is more important. In the Mainstream world…IE Hip Hop/Commercial EDM, there isnt really much mixing done…pretty much a straight 32 beat thing and off onto the next song…or in hip hop its a cut on the 1.
Where you often see amazing mixing is mostly done in the Underground scene. Now its a bit of a double edged sword here and heres my reasoning:
Often an amazing mix can totally be the highlight of the night. I have heard some amazing mashups done and was like wow that DJ is freaking amazing. People that dont know the specific songs that are in the underground scene will see this and truely appreciate it and give props when deserved. Now you put the exact same mix with a crowd that doesnt know the music…and they will probably bitching wondering where “Im Sexy and i know it” is gonna come on or “Oh sometimes i get a good feeling” and think the DJ is terrible.The genre of music is also a big factor. There is no way you can do a 3-4 track blend with Underground Electro, or anything near that genre of music…it will sound like trash as the music is already waayy too busy. But then you take something like Tech House/Funky House/House and the music is a lot simpler and easier to do 4 track blending.
Sorry to ramble on…But i think this article while it doesnt relate directly to this post does have relevance
http://notyourjukebox.com/2012/05/19/why-old-school-djs-are-complaining-and-you-should-too/
Before the EDM Scene totally blew up and has now become the bastardized child like rap music is now adays, The “rave” scene was not about this song or that song…it was ALL about the MIX…no one knew what 1/2 the songs were and they were being carried through this journey by the DJ…and it was ALL about mixing…blending and creating a vibe and an atmosphere.
So i guess my point is…Underground scene is all about mixing…Commercial Mainstream Scene about The Song Selection
May 23, 2012 at 9:32 pm #1004909Terry_42
KeymasterI prefer to look at it this way:
Music is like a steak and mixing is like great spices on that steak.
Now if you have a stinky pile of meat, you can throw any excellent spice combination at it that you like, you never get a good steak.
However if you have an excellent piece of tasty right steak, even if you only have a little salt and pepper it will taste good and with the right spices you can make it taste even better.May 23, 2012 at 9:41 pm #1004912Hee Won Jung
ParticipantFair enough bad music is bad music…but what you define as bad music…and what i define as bad music may totally be different things. It still is directly related to the scene you are spinning in.
May 23, 2012 at 9:42 pm #1004913ADHDJ
ParticipantI’d rather hear 3 seconds of silence in between songs than a trainwrecked mix. I don’t see why any semi serious dj can’t just learn to do both, it’s not asking too much.
May 23, 2012 at 9:54 pm #1004919Terry_42
KeymasterHee Won Jung, post: 20772, member: 948 wrote: Fair enough bad music is bad music…but what you define as bad music…and what i define as bad music may totally be different things. It still is directly related to the scene you are spinning in.
I could not agree more. You definitely need to have a music selection that is right for your audience, so playing dubstep in a country bar might be considered bad music even if it is the hottest new Skrillex remix that dubsteppers would love…. and this is a good thing, else we would all be like Getta and then I would hate myself 😛 (sorry we kinda have rolling Getta jokes atm here and this just had to go in here hehe)
May 23, 2012 at 10:01 pm #1004920DJ
ParticipantI’m definitely not hating, because I’ve seen him twice and it’s always fantastic but I think Steve Aoki is a great example of a dj who doesn’t mix. Both times I’ve seen him he isn’t even behind the decks half the time. He presses play on track A, gets out of the booth, jumps around, spits champagne, throws cake, crowd surfs, and lights things on fire before climbing back in the booth, pressing play on track B when there’s 32 beats left in track A, getting back out of the booth, and continuing to do whatever so inspires him. The great thing is you never even realize it because you’re having such a blast the whole set.
I guess the measure of a great set for me (or maybe for anyone) is a continuum based on track selection, mixing, and performance/charisma. If you’re lacking in one area you can use the others to make up for it.
May 23, 2012 at 10:01 pm #1004921Bradley Stone
ParticipantHee Won Jung, post: 20759, member: 948 wrote:
So i guess my point is…Underground scene is all about mixing…Commercial Mainstream Scene about The Song Selection
No further from the truth there my man! In mainstream clubs these days people go to hear songs they know which they can sing and dance to with their mates, whilst probably being slightly intoxicated. They couldn’t care less how the song is mixed as long as it it doesn’t alter their ability to dance, hence why a good blend is required.
With underground house/garage etc, the people go to the events JUST for the music, most probably don’t drink an awful lot and care only about the the obscure tunes that are played, along with how they are mixed.
May 23, 2012 at 10:13 pm #1004922Rodders
MemberI remember in the 90s seeing Boy George and him not being able to mix for toffee but still having a fantastic night. A few years ago I saw Arthur Baker in London and same thing, he didn’t even attempt to beat match but his track selection was superb and his lack of mixing didn’t make one bit of difference to my enjoyment of the night.
As said in previous posts, the programming (the tunes themselves and the order they’re played in) is way more important to me than simply being able to beat match. Don’t get me wrong, as an artform I totally appreciate a DJ who can beat match perfectly using vinyl. And if a DJ does not mix at all but just plays tracks back to back, so be it, if they’re good tracks I will still dance and enjoy it. But if they do try to mix, I’m more interested in how they blend / mix the tracks together, with creative use of EQ, FX, levels, loops, whatever.. I don’t care if it’s a computer doing the actual beat matching / sync, because I think the only reason DJs had to learn to beat match in the first place was because they had no choice – the technology didn’t exist to do otherwise.
May 23, 2012 at 10:15 pm #1004923spektakx
Membersure. the pace of a reggae night is such that it’s nice to have breaks, mcing, or just talking on the mic as a build up or intro to the tracks. Play a track, stop the track, talk a bit, play another track. it’s the songs themselves that are the draw, not “the mix”
Lots of people actually like “songs” and don’t care for “club as event” they just want to hear the music, and will tell you, just let the whole record play.
if you are going to not mix and play records instead, you better have an MCMay 23, 2012 at 10:46 pm #1004924Hee Won Jung
ParticipantPeople specially the Mainstream Club people are Sheep…Musical Sheep. They dont know what they want to hear and all they want to hear is what is popular.
Thee Commercial Scene where its all about that catch phrase or jingle that makes all the girls go OMG THATS MY FAVORITE SONG screaming as they stumble to the dance floor. I have physical proof of this as I did a show for a friend of mine that is a promoter at a top40 club.
I took ALL songs that were pretty banging underground electro, artists like Hirshee, Lazy Rich, Bassjackers, Lucky Date, Minero, Fast Foot, Farleon. Then since i had to appease the masses i just made a bunch of 32 beat samples of the top songs around like LMFAO, AVICII, Goyte, blah blah blah.
EVERYONE in the club went nuts when “I’m Sexy and I know it” popped up at the right time a basic 32 beat sample of an LMFAO song and they go beserk. Now were they going nuts to my music? or my mixing skills that kept them moving all night? NO they went nuts cuz of “I’m Sexy and I know it”. I didnt even play the freaking song…only a little 32 beat clip.
Same thing happened when i played a remix of Levels…the only thing that was the same was the 64 beat breakdown and then went into Banging Electro. Crowd goes nuts.
Now how can you tell me that its not about “Song Selection” with a mainstream crowd?
But in my city the underground scene is HUGE…Underground Electro, breaks, House(real house not SHM), Tech House, Techno, Hard Style, is in abudance and a lot of people really come out to dance drink and party their ass off. The Majority of the people here wont recognize most of the songs but they are there just groovin to the dance floor and having a really good time. A lot of actual Blending is done…aka what has now become known as “Mashups” When in reality all it is is extending mixing…(mixing a song togeather for more than the basic 32 or 64 beats). That to me is real skill.
Anyone can play what everyone wants to hear….but its about playing stuff they HAVENT heard and making them go nuts which is the REAL art of DJing
May 23, 2012 at 11:26 pm #1004925Steelo
ParticipantHee Won Jung, post: 20784, member: 948 wrote: I took ALL songs that were pretty banging underground electro, artists like Hirshee, Lazy Rich, Bassjackers, Lucky Date, Minero, Fast Foot, Farleon. Then since i had to appease the masses i just made a bunch of 32 beat samples of the top songs around like LMFAO, AVICII, Goyte, blah blah blah.
There is really nothing underground about any of those artists you mentioned. They are all quite mainstream. Not as mainstream as SMH, Guetta, Aviccii etc but still mainstream none the less. Fast Foot is unbelievably commercial cheese.
But I agree with the point you were trying to make…just not the examples
May 23, 2012 at 11:41 pm #1004928Hee Won Jung
ParticipantSteelo, post: 20785, member: 1368 wrote: There is really nothing underground about any of those artists you mentioned. They are all quite mainstream. Not as mainstream as SMH, Guetta, Aviccii etc but still mainstream none the less. Fast Foot is unbelievably commercial cheese.
But I agree with the point you were trying to make…just not the examples
Yeah fair enuff, i agree. Its not what i usually play, but it was definitely not what the club normally played.
May 23, 2012 at 11:44 pm #1004930Steelo
ParticipantFair enough. You gotta play the appropriate tunes for the crowd…sheep in this particular venue.
May 24, 2012 at 1:26 pm #1004972VinnyBlanc
ParticipantHee Wong the Lazy Rich remix of Body work is one of my favorite songs right now!
Anyway, I experienced this very thing at a packed club in Philly recently. I sware the DJ was up there with 1200s/DJM800 house setup and played most of the night in internal mode on serato (or was strictly on the dicers)
There wasnt even like a scratch cut in on the one it was just hard slam into new song, I was miserable until I looked around and realized everyone was having a ball.
The night went something like this “oh oh sometimes …..Starships were meant to fly…..and I used to Know….how to party rock”
Don’t get me wrong I’m big on Top40 club remixes and dance music but you have to use that as the bait to get people into it and then start showing them a little bit more of your style….
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