Do DJs overuse effects and looping?
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November 1, 2012 at 2:56 pm #31182
J-Zed
ParticipantA lot of DJs do, a lot don’t. Effects used in the right way can take a track to a whole new level, or they can completely ruin it. Unfortuantely with the availability of technology many people skip learning to master a basic mix and try to jump right into the more advanced/ fun stuff. Myself, sometimes I use heavy effects that overshadow the track itself but it’s done with purpose (part of a long buildup ect..) and other times using them ever so slightly. There are few things worse than being at a one room club with a DJ who ruins every song with overuse of effects.
November 1, 2012 at 4:41 pm #31198B-H-Y
MemberHi J-Zed, You’re right what you say. If effects and looping are used to good effect, they can really lift a mix, but used badly, can ruin things. If people start learning the basics, then they’ll maybe use effects and looping more effectively. Listening to a mix with an inexperienced DJ caning effects and loops is painful. What made things worse, was this guy had everything too loud, it was clipping and running in the red. Not good, it looked as if everything was set to go bang.
By the way, I really liked your mix on Mixcloud. You should check out Fountain Music and Plaza In Crowd, two Japanese labels, you’d enjoy their releases. I’ve reviewed a number of their releases.
November 1, 2012 at 5:19 pm #31201J-Zed
ParticipantI totally, sometimes I follow the belief that if you can’t figure out what a DJ is diong, he’s doing a damn good job.
Thanks, I appreciate it. I’ll be sure to check out those labels and see what Japan has to offer.
November 1, 2012 at 9:42 pm #31225Dj Freshboi
MemberSince we’re already on the theme “effects and looping”, I was wondering if anyone of you had some great tips on which effects you really love and which you detest and normally stay away from? Concidering myself fresh on DJing and quite unexperienced, I really need tips on this particular theme. I normally stick to three effects while mixing with my Traktor and S4, where Beatmasher and Delay is mostly used for the buildups. I’m not so familliar with the looping except from the fade overs – I love looping a particular part of a song with the particular text that people normally remember or know, so that when I faded the song completely, I go straight into some dope drop of the song so the crowd goes insane. Not used too commonly as they would get tired of this. Same goes with beatmashing and delaying – Doing this about 5-10 sec before the drop of a song goes down really helps me make the crowd go wild!
November 1, 2012 at 11:30 pm #31228Anonymous
InactiveIf effects hinder someone from dancing, that’s bad.
November 2, 2012 at 6:32 am #31241railings_731@yahoo.com
ParticipantDj Freshboi, post: 31381, member: 4419 wrote: Since we’re already on the theme “effects and looping”, I was wondering if anyone of you had some great tips on which effects you really love and which you detest and normally stay away from? Concidering myself fresh on DJing and quite unexperienced, I really need tips on this particular theme. I normally stick to three effects while mixing with my Traktor and S4, where Beatmasher and Delay is mostly used for the buildups. I’m not so familliar with the looping except from the fade overs – I love looping a particular part of a song with the particular text that people normally remember or know, so that when I faded the song completely, I go straight into some dope drop of the song so the crowd goes insane. Not used too commonly as they would get tired of this. Same goes with beatmashing and delaying – Doing this about 5-10 sec before the drop of a song goes down really helps me make the crowd go wild!
Sounds like a good post for your own thread, doesn’t seem to belong on this one 🙂
November 2, 2012 at 7:32 am #31244Dj Freshboi
MemberDJAckatz, post: 31397, member: 4135 wrote: Sounds like a good post for your own thread, doesn’t seem to belong on this one 🙂
Alright, I guess I‘ll make another one sometime today 🙂
November 2, 2012 at 8:24 am #31248Terry_42
Keymasteruse as few effects and loops as you can, use as many as you must… feel the music…
November 2, 2012 at 12:02 pm #31259DeeJay SiBoogie
ParticipantI love to use loops as overlays, so much so I’m looking to buy to more CDJs to give me the ability to mix 4. As for fx I’ve an RMX1000 and even after nearly 6mths I’m still trying to perfect it’s use. The way I see it fx are like anything else in the mix; it should be noticed it should seem to be a part of the whole.
November 3, 2012 at 11:39 am #31299NADAL
MemberDj Freshboi, post: 31381, member: 4419 wrote: which effects you really love and which you detest and normally stay away from?
I’m on Traktor, I like Delay T, Beatmasher and Reverb.. (to be used sparingly, always, and at exactly the right moment–timing is everything).
anything else is kinda of a slippery slope and requires major skills to pull off… otherwise you end up sounding like a knob.
November 3, 2012 at 12:06 pm #31300B-H-Y
MemberNadal you’re right. Use effects sparingly and at the right time. Si makes a good point, using effects and loops takes time to perfect. Used properly, they become part of the mix. Too often, new DJs want to dive in and use all the effects they have at their disposal. That’s when things get messy. As Kent says, effects should never stop people dancing.
November 4, 2012 at 11:01 pm #31350D-Jam
ParticipantI think it depends on the DJ.
I personally like looping to help extend breaks, and effects to add an accent point on a dull spot. I usually like to keep my music “pure”, meaning play it the way the artist/remixer originally intended it.
November 5, 2012 at 3:54 pm #31385B-H-Y
MemberHi D-Jam. That’s making good use of looping and effects, and comes with experience. Some types of music don’t suit lots of effects added, and as you say, are best played the way they were intended. Other tracks suit effects. It’s deciding which is which, that some inexperienced DJs get confused about.
November 5, 2012 at 5:05 pm #31390D-Jam
ParticipantB-H-Y, post: 31541, member: 4231 wrote: Hi D-Jam. That’s making good use of looping and effects, and comes with experience. Some types of music don’t suit lots of effects added, and as you say, are best played the way they were intended. Other tracks suit effects. It’s deciding which is which, that some inexperienced DJs get confused about.
Trance IMHO is a genre you can’t mess with too much. Most of the time added effects will mess up the synths or overdo things that it ruins the original sound.
Personally, I think both the DJs and crowds need to stop thinking the DJ should be “constantly doing stuff”. I’ve gone to play and had a few criticize me that while my set sounded solid and great, I spent too much time going through and finding what I wanted to play next.
It’s ironic that those who first say I sounded great will then believe if I had spent more time FXing or doing Jesus poses, I would have been even “better”…yet much of the time I see DJs doing the same 2-8 FX/loop tricks…and it gets old very fast.
“Oh wow…you flanged things…again”
“Gee whillickers, that loop/reverb thing was great the first time…but now you doing it for the 8th time in your set has more or less killed the coolness of it.”
November 5, 2012 at 6:48 pm #31397B-H-Y
MemberHi D-Jam. I agree with you about trance, adding effects will ruin the original production. Trance is one musical genre where effects aren’t needed. Adding effects to trance tracks not only ruins the track but the mix.
Maybe DJs need to and I hesitate to use the word, reeducate crowds. They need to get across to crowds that’s neither effects nor looping makes a great DJ set. What does make a great set is track selection and programming. Rather than deciding what effect to use or what length of loop to use, spend the time doing some digital crate digging. Finding some great tracks and playing them in a way that works and makes sense.
Maybe the problem with crowds is they realise that DJs have all these effects available too them, and unless a DJ uses them, they feel cheated. It quickly becomes repetitive and tedious.
Ironically, I heard a mix today and so thick were the effects, that I could hardly work out what track it was. Yet if the guy had just played the track without effects, then his mix would’ve been much better. Even guys who started out on vinyl are falling into the trap of overusing effects. The thinking seems to be “I’ve all these effects, better use them.” Eventually, it becomes tedious.They’d be better working out what their next track will be and playing a killer set.
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