DJ Snobbery

Hee Won Jung, post: 19921, member: 948 wrote: Honestly Beatmatching in Serato/Traktor is so freakin easy with Beatgrids and with the Beat Ticks in Serato that Beatmatching is a cake walk these days.

So you’ve basically got a bee in your bonnet because beat matching is intrinsically a push of a button now and these new DJs didn’t have to learn the hard way and put in the hours like we did – you know, so what, who cares, get over yourself. As Newportdj Drew said above, if you don’t need to bother thinking about beatmatching why indeed bother, so last century, and you know in essense he’s right.
The flip side of that coin though is that those DJs that are sub-standard will always get found out, because whilst you can push a button to match and sync a beat, they get lazy, and those without the musically knowledge will just crash tunes together. What they won’t do is think about the key the songs are written in, whether or not those keys will mix together, you’ll hear vocals crashing over vocals, mixes coming in at the wrong place, loops atrting in the middle of bars, and the list could go on and on and on.
Yes beatmatching is a piece of piss now, but so what – as I said it’s still a level playing field out there, you choose how you want to mix and let the audience decide. If you want to be a martyr to the cause, then you crack on ‘mixing properly’, well done, bravo! Me, well to be honest I haven’t mixed properly for around 2-3 years I would say (having said that I was teaching someone the fundimentals of mixing the other day with two CDJs and was mixing without using the display etc to show him how you do it by ear). But then again I have been ‘mixing properly’ since 1989, why do I need to bother my arse doing now when I don’t have to. I’m enjoying DJing more than ever now, and when I talk about being creative I don’t mean using a bit of filter or the beathmasher with a bit of delay (as you alluded to. I sometimes have four of five decks going, bringing in different samples over the mix, taking the crowd one way, but then dumping them another. As Drew said I wish we had the technology back in the day 😀

Hee Won Jung, post: 19958, member: 948 wrote: Say you you use sync because you cant beat match…fine i accept that. Call it what it is…dont sugar coat it and dont make lame excuses.

Your obviously reading what you want to read, or you’re not reading the post properly or thoroughly – the parts that say “Been mixing since 1989′, ‘learnt to mix on 1210s’ ‘was teaching someone to mix manually on CDJ’s’ etc etc – no time for lazy people who don’t read posts through properly!

As I said, you stick to doing it your way, and although I CAN do it your way, I choose not to 😀

More to the point

How do you 5 decks at once? What program are you using? and how are you able to control 5 decks? Can you post something showing or something i can listen to that is using 5 decks?

Hee Won Jung, post: 19958, member: 948 wrote: I have no problems with people using Sync, but say the real reason why you are using sync…as newport Drew said…he uses sync cuz he cant be bothered, and is lazy. Fine I accept that. Say you you use sync because you cant beat match…fine i accept that. Call it what it is…dont sugar coat it and dont make lame excuses.

When im playing House/tech/minimal/deep I will have all 4 tracks going not using sync. Its a tool that makes life easier and simpler that I agree with.

on the other note….how the F do you have 5 decks going at once? Can you post a mix of you using 5 decks? I am really curious as to what this would sound like, and what style of music do you play that you can have 5 decks going at once and make it sound clean?

No need for sync as most of those are at the same BPM

Phil Morse, post: 19993, member: 2 wrote: Personally, I can beatmatch manually, but I use the tempo match (not sync) button religiously. Otherwise it’s like saying “I can long divide on paper, so I will never use a calculator”. But as someone who’s always manually beatmatched, from there I then phase match by ear. The physical act of getting two tunes to the same speed is not worth beating yourself up over, in my opinion.

Love the analogy. It’s like when I’ll ask “would you still drive with a manual steering system? Or use power steering?”

The only rule we all agree on is a DJ should be able to go manual when sync fails. I use sync, I like it, and I’m glad it’s made things easier for me and many others.

José Reach, post: 10532, member: 918 wrote: DJing is not about themself, it’s about the audience.

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