Dilemma : Twitch or NS6?
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September 28, 2011 at 9:55 am #7953
Pär Hessler
ParticipantI have a hard time thinking of something to help you but one thing:
Go to a store and test the two units and see for yourself.The two has IMO the same good buildquaility.
I would not pay a penny for a unit without joggwheels, it is for me as essential as the playbutton.
You should think again there if it is OK without joggs??I have heard nothing but good things about the NS6 and I tested it myself a while ago
I do think that Numark has stept up a big leap with the buildquality of this unit.The Twitch I do not know and has not heard as much of more than what you can find on the net.
But Serato is known of making top quality hardware so I do not think that the quality should be an issue.And to make it even more difficult for you to decide I would tip you about the Stanton SCS.4DJ
It has all things inside the box = no laptop just plug & play.
All I have heard and seen in tests says “It just works” but it has not so many featuers.
It might be worth to check out for you anyway….//DJ Hessler
September 29, 2011 at 4:38 am #7974Daryl
ParticipantThanks for the reply DJ Hessler. You are right, the best solution is always to go to a store and test the units. I guess I’m just afraid doing that will make the decision even harder, hahaa. But i’ll do that anyhow.
At the moment, I do think i’ll be fine without jogs, maybe thats just me. I only use the jogs to nudge or scrub through tracks. There are times when i do not have my S4 with me and still have fun laptop DJing with TP2. Still, I’ll test Twitch at a store.
My original decision was to get the NS6 and have been saving for it till i heard of Twitch. Like you said, the internet is buzzing with praise on the NS6 and pretty damn quiet on Twitch, which makes me hesitant.
I just checked out Stanton SCS.4DJ. Looks really dope! I actually started Djing with a Cortex Dmix-600. Not as advanced as the SCS.4DJ but fun nevertheless. My gripe with the Dmix-600 is the amount of pre gig preparation that had to be done. When a buddy came with a HD of his tracks to jam together, it wasn’t pre prepared and only bare bones information was available (wasn’t a bad thing cause it made me beat match by ear). I moved to Itch and then Traktor cause of the ease of that. Loading up a new track scans and prepares it. But i’m sure the SCS.4DJ does that though.
Hope to hear more feedback from folks with a Twitch or NS6 as well!
October 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm #8251Digitall DJ
MemberAt the end of the day it depends on your style and workflow, but as I tried both of these at BPM last week, I thought I’d offer my thoughts!
The NS6 is a real step up from Numark – it feels solid, construction seems good and it does everything we have come to expect from the now ‘standard’ platter based controller. I don’t scratch but the platters seem tight and responsive.
So, solid, well made and I would imagine reliable. BUT……dare I say….uninspiring?Onto the Twitch – I was looking forward to trying this kit, and was not disappointed! Within a couple of minutes of popping on the cans I was mixing, looping and manipulating tunes. It’s hard to describe, but it really is great fun. It’s intuitive to pick up – the well lit buttons are really helpful and the controls are all solidly built. The touchstrip felt really strange as an alternative to platters but after a few fun transitions I was wondering why anyone except turntablists would ever want a platter. Also loved the fader FX and really accurate rotary pitch adjuster.
The unit is solid and feels pro, yet is light and portable. Good connections and USB power all add to the package and have put the Twitch clearly at the top of my wish list.
As I began, it’s down to how you play, but hope that helps!
October 21, 2011 at 6:44 am #1001941Daryl
ParticipantThanks Digitall DJ, I went to get a hands on on both units and I’m certainly leaning more to Twitch.
My impressions are exactly like yours. I like how solid the NS6 is but as you said, it doesn’t inspire. Twitch was certainly much more fun to meddle around with, and somehow I start to re-think my sets.
I was just about to sell off my S4 for for Twitch when I acquired a Stanton Str8-80 from a friend clearing his unwanted stuff. Hooked it up to Channel C on my S4 and its been a blast to play with. Prior to this, I’ve only used vinyl to play tracks and never tried mixing with it. Went down the digital path from the start. But mixing some vinyl with digital tracks is a joy!
So guess i’m at another crossroad. Thinking of going with Twitch and getting a 2nd hand mixer so I still can hook up the Stanton. Which makes me think, maybe I should just keep things easy with the NS6
October 21, 2011 at 7:31 am #8822stuart
MemberI havent used either, but what i would be tempted to do is, buy the Twich then if its not for you ebay it, you will lose maximum of 100quid. The numark it twice the price so at least you got a twich to play with while you save up the rest of the cash!!
October 21, 2011 at 9:57 am #8825Digitall DJ
MemberI noticed yesterday that Ean Golden over at the excellent DJTechTools has posted a video ripping into the Twitch for it’s low audio output (apparently due to being USB powered only).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixv46DxhKd0&feature=feedu
This rings some alarm bells as I play a couple of venues where I go straight to the PA – no mixer gains to tweak.
However the cynic in me points to Mr Golden’s close relationship with NI and the fact a Twitch could replace a Midi-fighter or two! A quick search doesn’t result in a flood of complaints either, so maybe it’s not that big an issue.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Twitch 2 comes along next year with sample deck functionality and optional AC power to beef up the output. Inevitably it’ll be announced the day after I buy one!!
October 21, 2011 at 10:20 am #8826Arbite
MemberDigitall DJ, post: 8821 wrote: I noticed yesterday that Ean Golden over at the excellent DJTechTools has posted a video ripping into the Twitch for it’s low audio output (apparently due to being USB powered only).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixv46DxhKd0&feature=feedu
This rings some alarm bells as I play a couple of venues where I go straight to the PA – no mixer gains to tweak.
However the cynic in me points to Mr Golden’s close relationship with NI and the fact a Twitch could replace a Midi-fighter or two! A quick search doesn’t result in a flood of complaints either, so maybe it’s not that big an issue.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Twitch 2 comes along next year with sample deck functionality and optional AC power to beef up the output. Inevitably it’ll be announced the day after I buy one!!
He’s pretty harsh on the Twitch. Funny, because the guy who did the review for DJTT really liked it. I’m still toying with the S2 vs Twitch, though I don’t have a problem with the low sound output because I already have an amp.
October 21, 2011 at 10:40 am #8828mr stifffy
MemberDigitall DJ, post: 8821 wrote: I noticed yesterday that Ean Golden over at the excellent DJTechTools has posted a video ripping into the Twitch for it’s low audio output (apparently due to being USB powered only).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixv46DxhKd0&feature=feedu
This rings some alarm bells as I play a couple of venues where I go straight to the PA – no mixer gains to tweak.
However the cynic in me points to Mr Golden’s close relationship with NI and the fact a Twitch could replace a Midi-fighter or two! A quick search doesn’t result in a flood of complaints either, so maybe it’s not that big an issue.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Twitch 2 comes along next year with sample deck functionality and optional AC power to beef up the output. Inevitably it’ll be announced the day after I buy one!!
Low audio output just means up the master on the pa a little, every sound card outputs a slightly diff volume so that’s not a biggy Ean gets paid a lot by N I to make there videos and make them money and also his own product. Just like I’m pretty sure vestax used to pay a lot in the vci100 days, it was advert gold for them….
November 3, 2011 at 2:27 pm #9346Cool Cats
MemberDarylC, post: 7929 wrote:
NS6
Pros
• it just works! everyone on forums who have it absolutely love it. no gripes so far
• 4 channels, stand alone mixer, great for expansion in future
• built like a work horse, sturdy, professional. seems like its made to last. looks trustworthy for gigs
• its closer to the VCI-300/S4, will be more familiarCons
• nothing very exciting in terms of features
• heavy, footprint comparable to the S4 though, which i have been carrying around. might end up sitting at home
• pricey, always a conSeems like a decision between something fresh and innovative (twitch) and something with more performance and trustworthy (NS6). I’m honestly slightly leaning towards Twitch but will like to hear some opinions before making the jump. Especially for Phil since you have tested both units out.
Cheers!
So, I ran into the same problem with Traktor having come from the VCI-300 and Itch. Wasn’t interested in the Twitch due to the lack of platters, but I did order the NS6 and can vouch for how AWESOME it is. The sound is warm and punchy, the audio output is crazy high – really had to push the VCI, but this needs no push – the faders, knobs, FX section and platters feel light years ahead of the 300 (the 300 platters are technically “better”, but the NS6 feels so much more legit). Only gripe is the looping section, as it’s unnecessarily complicated compared to the simplicity of the VCI’s looping section. Sure, you can loop roll and edit in/out of loops on the fly, but in practice, it feels like something you end up just skipping live.
Also, I did a lot of research prior to purchase, and the main complaint was the weight, but really, it’s not THAT heavy. Unless you have really weak arms or are walking miles, it’s 14lbs w/o the flight case. That’s like a 17″ laptop in a backpack and a bag lunch.
November 4, 2011 at 7:07 am #9378Daryl
ParticipantDigitall DJ, post: 8821 wrote: I wouldn’t be surprised if Twitch 2 comes along next year with sample deck functionality and optional AC power to beef up the output. Inevitably it’ll be announced the day after I buy one!!
I have a feeling that might happen very soon with all the flak they are getting. I should just wait for Twitch 2
@Cool Cats, Does the NS6 have a function to let the the track continue on under the loop you set? like the ‘loop roll’ on Twitch
November 4, 2011 at 11:40 am #9390Arbite
MemberDarylC, post: 9374 wrote:
@Cool Cats, Does the NS6 have a function to let the the track continue on under the loop you set? like the ‘loop roll’ on Twitchhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8zPhyuYd-w
It does apparently.
November 4, 2011 at 1:23 pm #9398Cool Cats
MemberYep. There is a shift key right next to the hotcue buttons, and you press that while tapping one of the auto loop buttons. I didn’t click on the link above, but I bet it’s what he/she is doing.
November 4, 2011 at 8:39 pm #9412Phil Morse
KeymasterTwitch is fine volume wise, I have been playing out with it for months without issue.
November 8, 2011 at 10:33 pm #9560VinnyBlanc
ParticipantNovember 13, 2011 at 9:00 am #1002129Daryl
ParticipantVinnyBlanc, post: 9556 wrote: BOTH!!!!!
http://www.digitaldjtips.com/forum/threads/twitch-and-ns6-running-together-in-itch-2-0-video.1505/
Awesome link there Vinny! Now I’d have to find someone to rob…
Thanks for all the input guys! My 1 1/2 month dilemma is coming to an end. I went for another go at the controllers again. This time much earlier so that i can have a proper feel on them. Previously only had 5 mins on each as the store was closing. As the NS6 was out of stock, I spent around 30-45 mins (lost track of time as i was having so much fun) on Twitch and chatting with the staff.
Twitch is really easy to pick up, besides the 5 mins i had previously and overview videos online, pretty much got going within the time span of the 1st song playing. Was using the store’s laptop with unfamiliar songs that weren’t beat gridded. A buddy I had with me who was listening in the background while checking his own gear, thought i selected songs i knew by hard. Its that easy to get into. Everything is intuitive and where they should be.
I found that it changed the way i approach the tracks. Usually, i’ll pre set hot cues before daring to go crazy on a certain track. But with the slicer and loop roll at a touch of a button, allowed me to get creative on the fly! slicer mode needed some getting used to though.
Had 2 minor gripes about it though.
Firstly, as the song were not beat gridded and the BPM stated were off on some tracks, I had to beat match by ear. The lack of pitch faders made that a little more difficult. With a pitch fader, you can ride it up and down till you find the sweet spot. Something which needs getting used to with a knob.
Secondly, trying to nudge a track forward or backward to get it time took some getting used to as well. Waveforms on screen traditionally move from right to left on screen, and the strip on Twitch moves from left to right (which is correct too). And for example, when i start the second track a little too slow, meaning the downbeat is a little to the right of the track that is playing, my brain tells me to swipe the strip from right to left, which is wrong cause i’m slowing the track down. Still kept doing it throughout that half an hr.Besides that 2 issues, i’m totally sold. Can’t wait to pick mine up!
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