Diffrerence Between Software and Hardware Mixer
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Todd Oddity.
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May 31, 2016 at 1:33 am #2401841
Peter Lindqvist
ParticipantIf you have a powerful enough computer, clean from garbage and optimized for DJ use, you shouldn’t be able to feel any difference at all. To get there it’s important that you make sure everything is set up correctly. A Denon or Pioneer CDJ/DJM has a dedicated built in processor that does all of the work for each unit. When you use software, your computer needs to be able to handle as many tracks you intend to use (think tracks, loops, samples) and with the mixer, all of the effects you intend to use. The more you use at the same time, the faster CPU, and hard drive you’ll need, preferably a fast SSD. If you have a PC, you will also need to install an ASIO driver to get the latency down to a minimal. In Mac that’s not necessary. The mixer in the MC6000mk2, is working as a standalone hardware mixer, so it’s not dependent on the computer to work. You can bring your HC4500 and connect it to 2 channels and use it for backup and as a complement until you have fully converted to be a controllerist 🙂 . If you don’t have any experience or interest in computers, now it’s a good time to dig a little deeper in to that world. Your computer will be the difference between a happy and joyful experience and a nightmare. I’m sure someone here on the forum can recommend the basics to get things going the right way. At least, if you have a PC, Windows 10 comes to mind. Make sure you shut the windows update service down. Also shut down LAN, BT, WIFI and with that pause your AV program until next restart. With a clean computer, those are the services/functions that most likely will disturb you when playing. If you can afford it, the new Denon MCX8000 will give you the best from booth software and hardware as it can be used with USB media and Serato at the same time, or apart. With the USB you don’t need a computer connected to play. Pioneer has a similar unit but with a little different approach and higher price, the XDJ-RX. You can find Reviews of them here at digital dj tips. Good luck with your new gear.
May 31, 2016 at 3:06 am #2401861Benfleet
ParticipantThanks DJ Peter. I think I will end up on something like an MCX8000 eventually even though I keep trying to talk myself out of it. Thanks for the tips on settong up the PC too – it doesn’t sound like a lot of fun but I guess it’s gotta be done.
May 31, 2016 at 8:42 am #2401891Todd Oddity
ParticipantBenfleet, can I assume you are using the HC4500 with a computer currently? If so, a different controller isn’t going to put a lot of extra strain on your computer. Peter is wrong is his description, your computer would currently be doing the work – the HC4500 is just a midi controller when linked to a computer. I think he is mixing up the HC4500 with a CD/media player unit.
Anyway, back on track with your question… I’ve used both types of systems and the biggest change you’ll notice moving from a hardware mixer to a software mixer is the loss of the extra layer of gain control. On a hardware mixer, the software applies gain to a track and then sends out a fully open channel to the mixer. On the mixer you can fine tune your gain some more before doing your thing.
On a software mixer, adjusting that gain dial is directly effecting the setting in the software, there is no additional layer of control. Additionally, anything you do with the faders isn’t being done to the signal, it’s being done inside the software, and only the fully processed master output gets sent to your controller. If your computer is older or slower, you can start to notice latency issues here (however the 4500 is a pretty demanding unit so again, if it was working fine you should still be okay).
As for which is better – many will tell you there is no noticeable difference. I feel there is. Really, it’s personal preference.
June 1, 2016 at 6:23 am #2402211Benfleet
ParticipantThanks Todd,
I’m a big fan of hardware mixers but if it means I have to get used to the differences you describe to be able to walk into a venue with a controller under one arm as opposed to waddling in with a box that feels like a lead weight, I think I can learn to live with it!
June 1, 2016 at 7:33 am #2402331DJ Vintage
ModeratorAt the end of the day the integration of all-in-one controllers is such that there really is no need to go modular anymore.
It’s also easier to show up at a place and put your master output in the house mixer and be done with it, while at the same time being fully and totally familiar with everything on your controller.
Most analogue mixer are pretty straightforward. One of the more tricky things is FX use though. Each analogue mixer will have different ones and different ways to assign them and set parameters. Some won’t have FX at all. Some will have only one available FX at a time. On your controller you often have the option to use two FX channels which you can assign to the channel of your liking and which often consists of one 3-parameter effect or for example 3 stacked ones. Giving you way more creative options. On your controller it pays to get familiar with those options, on a (third-party) analogue mixer I feel it’s extra work, limiting options and generally a pain.
June 1, 2016 at 11:21 am #2402581Benfleet
ParticipantWell I’ve never been an early adopter that’s for sure but yep it’s time to make the jump. Gonna get me a 6000mk2 tomorrow. That’s if I can listen to my own advice and leave the 8000 on the shelf.
June 1, 2016 at 11:30 am #2402591Benfleet
ParticipantBTW to answer Todd’s question, yes I use the HC4500 with a PCDJ loaded laptop. I’ve got 2 new Lenovos to pick up tomorrow, also it’s time to ditch the PCDJ which has been good, it’s just time for something new but that’s a different thread.
June 2, 2016 at 3:16 pm #2403461DJ Vintage
ModeratorWhat is the biggest reason you feel you shouldn’t get the 8000?
June 4, 2016 at 1:50 pm #2404261Benfleet
ParticipantGood question Vintage. Maybe nothing more than allowing some time for any teething problems to be fixed.
…or maybe because for a mobile DJ watching people lean over the booth screen with pints of beer in hand right above a fairly expensive bit of kit is a bit scary.
Oh yeah and just hitting our quite time of year in NZ so at 2.5 times the cost of the 6000 the 8000 can wait.
Sorry can’t do one reason answers LOL.
June 4, 2016 at 9:40 pm #2404291Todd Oddity
ParticipantThe 6000 is lovely kit for mobile work. Everything you could want, and a compact design so it still fits in a 19″ mounted case. I had a Mk1. It served me well.
June 4, 2016 at 11:02 pm #2404321Benfleet
ParticipantThat’s good to hear Todd, I’ve just ordered one.
June 5, 2016 at 5:15 pm #2404391DJ Vintage
ModeratorI had a mk1 as well, but would definitely save up now for the 8000. Just me, of course. Also I don’t think the spread is as big here (close to 2.0x) as it seems some shops are trying to get rid of their 6000 stock. But, that is your profit.
The 6000 is an absolutely great controller for the working DJ.
June 15, 2016 at 12:49 pm #2408091Benfleet
ParticipantJust saying thanks for the advice guys, got my MC6000 yesterday and as it’s the 1st proper controller I’ve had I spent all night (6am) getting used to it. Lots of fun and definitely a Denon feel to it.
June 15, 2016 at 9:44 pm #2408441DJ Vintage
ModeratorThere is no doubt about that, I affectionately referred to it as “The Tank” 😀
June 19, 2016 at 11:42 pm #2409801Todd Oddity
Participant^^ My repair guy also used that term for the 6000, although with far less affection after having to spend over an hour removing screws just to open the unit up.
Don’t ever let anyone tell you Denon doesn’t build war-ready DJ gear! lol
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