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January 27, 2016 at 1:02 am #2346561
bob6397
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First of all, I wouldn’t use an iPad for anything more than backup in a scenerio unless I had no alternative.. So..
Windows vs Mac
This debate has been going on forever and will keep on going. My personal opinion is that Macbooks are excellent hardware. The equivalent specced windows machine isn’t that much cheaper than the Macbook.I use a older windows laptop myself, roughly 4 years old now, cost me £400 then and it now doesn’t owe me a thing. Still, it runs Windows 10, 4 decks of Virtual DJ, iTunes, and often a few chrome tabs as well without breaking a sweat. Specs are 2nd Gen i5, 8GB RAM, 500GB HDD.. nVidia Graphics for anything really intensive.. And I don’t use a dedicated laptop for DJing with. I see it as unnecessary, as I seem to have managed fine for the last 2 years DJing with the same laptop for everything. Other people think it is necessary though, stating that they don’t want to get virus’s (run antivirus and stay away from dodgy/x-rated websites) and that they don’t want windows updates (even the security ones??). I don’t see the point in that.
Basically what I am trying to say is you don’t need huge amounts of processing power. What is more important is how the setup looks from the front – so a beaten up high end machine is probably worse than a neat looking midrange.
As for OSX/Windows, I would stick with whichever you currently use. It is a learning curve going from one to the other (I use OSX for music production) and ideally you want a system you are very familiar with for DJing purposes.
3) Best place to find used kit online? Carefully.
Not sure what country you are in, but here in the UK I would recommend ebay – but only but from high rated sellers for higher value items – and beware of fakes.
Otherwise, always try to test the kit before you pay for it and make sure there aren’t any faults..
Used is a minefield – tread carefully. There are some bargains to be had though.
bob6397
January 27, 2016 at 3:27 am #2346661Luke Butzen
ParticipantWindows/Mac/iPad what’s best for the long haul beginner to doing regular small gigs college parties, weddings, etc.
Mac & ipad are the same company, and bob is right, stick with whatever you are familiar with working in. I use windows for just about everything, so I stick with Windows/Intel machines when I’m hunting/looking at dj laptops.
2) dedicating a device specifically to your sets nothing else but your career, less risk of viruses or other issues. Is it worth having that single device used only for music?
Can be. I did it for redundancy purposes (I go tend to be rough on my stuff and haven’t had a great track record on Laptops) and because it just made sense to me. I was also able to find a good Windows laptop for about 250$ USD that ticked both my personal boxes & Serato requirements. If you’re serious about wanting to make a career out of it, then I’d say go for it. Otherwise, start with a home computer or laptop and see if it grabs you. It’s not worth the time, effort, & money of finding a good laptop if you’re sick of or don’t want to DJ within a month. It really has to be something you’re passionate about in order for it to make sense.
As for where to buy, Ebay is a great place. It’s basically the world’s marketplace and some amazing deals can be found if you look hard & long enough. I bought my current laptop through Ebay and will snag another one assuming I can still find the one I want after paying off a friend who helped me spring for my controller. I’d also say look at your local electronic stores/chain stores and see if you can get something open box/refurbished if you’re cool with that. You can find some sweet stuff there as well.
January 27, 2016 at 5:23 am #2346671Irish Virus
ParticipantAwesome thanks to both of you. I actually build pc’s so I’m not worried about the computing aspect. Mac is great but their laptops have gone from upgradable to Apple soldering in every aspect of their computers. No more ram addition no more HD or other updates. Basically screwing users to what Dell and other PC companies do.
If anyone needs a top machine for a better price I would be happy to offer my builds. I have a lot of deals with companies.
As iPad I recognize its Apple but very different from Yosemiti. But I like the idea of it as a backup and using my touch screen laptop as primary.
eBay is a worry but a necessity. Thanks everyone. I only thought of dedicating a PC due to how often I run variations of software not because I like my xxx… I run Linux and Windows on my pc’s and use VMWare to run Windows and MacOS on my MacBook.
January 27, 2016 at 6:47 am #2346721Todd Oddity
ParticipantI see value in a dedicated laptop, but I play out 2 to 4 times per week so it’s a well used machine. If you aren’t playing out very often that value would rapidly decrease as it doesn’t make sense to just have it sitting around never being used. Having the dedicated DJ rig also means my daily use laptop acts as a ready-to-go backup in a pinch (and seeing as I bought almost an identical system for daily use, it really does just plug in if I need to pull the other one out).
Mac v PC is exactly as others have said, whatever you are most comfortable with. And if you are a builder, I suspect that means you know how to tune a PC, so most of the so-called Apple advantages are wiped out.
January 27, 2016 at 7:03 am #2346761Luke Butzen
ParticipantUsing a backup Ipad make sense, but then that’s more work of having to put in cue points in your software as you can’t export/import them (To the best of my knowledge) if Cue points are super important for you.
Also, you can’t do Linux into Windows & expect to use Serato or what have you. I was looking into that after I downloaded Mint 17.3 and people were complaining about having issues running Serato & traktor using Wine & other programs. It just doesn’t work at all from what I read and sadly, no major music programs support Linux, no matter the build. But you might be able to finagle it and get it to work for you. Mixxx worked solidly but I wasn’t able to test it out fully since I didn’t want to hook up my MTP and try set up at the time of testing.
I would say if you do decide to get a dedicated laptop, you can try linux but don’t hold your breath on it working.
Also, do manufacturer refurbs on Ebay. Those come from either factory certified repair folks or Dell, HP & what have you and are probably a less worrisome purchase than buying it secondhand from someone who treated it like crap.January 27, 2016 at 4:56 pm #2347241DJ Vintage
ModeratorMy MBP has a separate user for DJ-ing. This seems to create a far greater separation between users than you can get in Windows. And it works well that way.
Unfortunately the discussion between Apple and Intel-based (I know, there is an Intel CPU in Apples as well) laptops often boils down to OS comparison. The choice for Apple for me had a lot more contributing factors, as a matter of fact the OSX bit was a deterrent for an old Windows hand like me. There are several other features, some of which CAN be had in the very high end PC market, that helped me make up my mind.
The way Apple handles audio (driverless) is, no discussion, better than the way Windows has it implemented. Full metal body. Backlit keys (not a new feature, been around since forever). Magnetic power connector (I have buried a total of 3 of mine own and a few of my customers laptops over the years with the power connector broken off from the mainboard). Just to name a few.
I have had my windows laptop (backup) set as DJ only machine and also as a shared DJ / Office Use machine. While I won’t go into the entire discussion with Bob, suffice to say that there are reasons beyond updates and virusses why you don’t want to DJ with your office laptop. Some of those inherent to the way Windows is built and behaves (and performance deteriorates over time). There is, however, a very simple solution. Licensing rules allow you to install your OS more than once on a single machine. So if you create a dual-boot system, you can pick whether to boot as DJ or as Office laptop. Both systems run totally independent of each other (just not simultaneously – it’s not user switching after all). You can have major virus or OS problems on your office partition and still be fine for DJ-ing. Very helpful if you happened to open that nasty email because you weren’t paying full attention and having your hard disk wiped out. Reboot, pick the DJ install and you are still good for that nights gig. And files from one install are not (easily) available for the other install.
Personally I totally strip windows down to the bare knuckle for DJ-ing purposes. Partly based on knowledge of windows from 35 years of working with computers, partly with information gathered from DJ forums and support sites about optimizing windows for DJ-ing purposes. A machine stripped down like that would not be very amicable for day to day office use. Another reason dual-booting makes sense.
Just my two (perhaps three) cents as usual.
January 28, 2016 at 9:13 am #2347431Terry_42
KeymasterOK first question iPad vs Laptop:
While the iPad has come a long way, it is still not there for use beyond home parties. Eventually it will get there I am sure, but it is just not there yet.Dedicated Laptop or not?
Yes if you can afford it. If it is not dedicated, definitely go with a Mac.Mac vs Windows
Well you can say that Mac are top level Intel Notebooks, however as Vintage pointed out there are no USB drivers and the CoreAudio Systems allows audio latency to be much lower than on any other system. They are built for audio so to say.
Also in harsh environments (hot outdoor weddings in direct sunlight, smoke in clubs,…) I had never a breakdown of my Macbooks. And my oldest DJ Macbook that still plays is from 2008! I am just now retiring it.Now you can achieve a similar level with Windows Notebooks but:
You should have it a dedicated laptop or at least a dual boot and one OS only for DJing.
You still have to invest a lot in hardware.
You have to have a good understanding of the Windows Audio driver system and what drivers to install AND IN WHAT ORDER!!!
Now I have seen people pull that off with Windows Laptops but usually those laptops were high end machines, a friend is using an Alienware and another a HP Elite Folio, both cost in that config well beyond 2000 bucks, with the Alienware being much more expensive than my current Macbook.On the other hand I have seen people DJing perfectly fine with an entry level 13” Macbook Air they also use for office work…
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