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  • #40661
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    A problem with the liquid cleaning solutions also is that you will have to keep using it. A record played with the stuff a few times and then without will sound less.

    I have heard people in the old days who cleaned their records with a mild dish washing solution (it is especially effective against (finger)grease apparently), then rinsing it thoroughly and finally air drying them. The trick is to get rid of the grease and muck (dish washer fluid) and making sure there is not residu left in the groove after everything is all dried up (the rinsing phase). I never used this method, I just played them as they were. Unless they got ticks/audible scratches, in which case they got tossed and replace by a new copy. I can see how, for a one time ripping action, you’d want them to sound as good as you can get them.

    The most important thing to prevent is static build-up. It really increases the collection of dust attracted to the vinyl which will get collected by the stylus and finally become that nice little ball of wool that is pulled around the groove.
    I know there are carbon fibre brushes that you can use, not sure how effective they are though. Also heard of slipmats with carbon fibre in them that are supposed to get rid of static build-up. Again, most of those remedies never made it into any serious DJ booth, so I can’t really vouch for their effectivity.

    Another thing to watch for is to go (way) lower on the needle pressure and accompanying anti-skating. Since you won’t be moving the turntables at all, nor trying to scratch, backspin or do other crazy stuff you don’t have to worry about the pressure. Obviously you WILL need to apply an appropriate pressure for the stylus you are using. Many DJ stylii are produced so they can easily withstand the high needle pressure, the trade-off being that they don’t produce too well at lower pressure.

    Finally, don’t get tempted to use moving coil instead of moving magnet for your 12″s. The dance tracks on 12″ have been recorded with enhanced bass (in general) and sometimes higher dynamics (early compression techniques). Moving coil is made to handle very delicate source material and is great for reproducing especially the low volume bits. I have found on occasion that MC isn’t all that great for handling high level low frequency signal.

    Just my two cents, hope it helps (some).

    Greetinx,
    C.

    #40666
    Gerd Bauersfeld
    Participant

    Thx, for those solid tips, I will take them definitely into account for my ‘washing days’ to come.
    Just learned that a recordshop nearby offers a Vinyl cleaning service, but 2,50 € per record seems a lot of money. (They use different methods before they do the final cleaning with a Loricraft PRC3) But I guess I will use them for a couple of my most precious 12′ anyway. (Not before testing it with some ‘not so precious’ ones)
    Anyone with experience with such a cleaning service?

    #40667
    AuralCandy.Net
    Participant

    If you really want to go the extra mile and aren’t squeamish, there’s the wood glue method.

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    #40668
    Gerd Bauersfeld
    Participant

    Okay, I admit, at first I thought this is a joke, but after some investigation I found out that this is dead serious.
    Have you really tried this? Anyone?
    I dont think I have the guts to put wood glue on my records.

    #40684
    AuralCandy.Net
    Participant

    I haven’t yet tried this since all my vinyls are fairly new and methods this drastic haven’t been required.

    They theory is solid though. The chemical composition of the wood glue does not react with the vinyl. Assuming don’t you spill the glue and make a mess, the glue should form a membrane you can peel right off.

    #40691
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    My method for cleaning vinyl is very simple:
    Get a anti static soft cloth (you can get them in most car accessory stores for the windshield of a car…).
    Get a bowl of distilled water (comes quite cheap).
    Get a mild hair shampoo (mild but not oily! some of the baby shampoos have a lot of oil in them, do not use them!) I just use the classic “head and shoulders” and put a few drops in the bowl with the water.
    Mix it (I use clean chop sticks for mixing it in) and add a little shampoo until the water feels slightly “soapy”.
    Soak the cloth and clean the vinyl softly.
    Then put the vinyl on a dry clean towel and let it sit until it is dry.

    Works like a charm. (But use at your own risk…)

    #40692
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    I am guessing it really has to do a lot with the viscosity (?) of the glue. It really needs to go deep enough into the groove. If it is too “thick” it wouldn’t. Wood glue is pretty liquid and does make a film, so I am guessing it could work. However, it will take care of residu left in the groove. I can’t see it preventing dust to be attracted to the vinyl as soon as you take the film off. I also can’t see it do anything for greasy finger spots.

    And it is incredibly slow. Waiting 30+ hours per record? Not sure how your living situation is, but I could spread out maybe 10-15 records at a time (and with great risk to my relationship). Doing your entire 150+ collection would require 10-15 times 30 hours (in my case) = 400 – 450 hours, or 2,4-2,7 weeks LOL.

    I think I would have the guts to do it. I would do a rip before and a rip after though. Worse comes to worse you have at least one good rip :-).

    Greetinx,
    C.

    #40693
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Terry_42, post: 40847, member: 1843 wrote: My method for cleaning vinyl is very simple:
    Get a anti static soft cloth (you can get them in most car accessory stores for the windshield of a car…).
    Get a bowl of distilled water (comes quite cheap).
    Get a mild hair shampoo (mild but not oily! some of the baby shampoos have a lot of oil in them, do not use them!) I just use the classic “head and shoulders” and put a few drops in the bowl with the water.
    Mix it (I use clean chop sticks for mixing it in) and add a little shampoo until the water feels slightly “soapy”.
    Soak the cloth and clean the vinyl softly.
    Then put the vinyl on a dry clean towel and let it sit until it is dry.

    Works like a charm. (But use at your own risk…)

    About right. I was once told that dish washer detergent is the least aggressive and the strongest against grease, but I can see how hair shampoo would be anti-grease too :).

    Not sure about the cloth though, it won’t go into the groove. But just running the liquid over the record won’t losen all particles in the groove either.

    I am guessing that those cleaning services use a combination of a cleaning liquid and a very fine specialized “brush” to get crap out of the grooves. After all that is the only place audible stuff happens, not on the surface in between the grooves (which is where wiping would reach, right?).

    Greetinx,
    C.

    #40695
    Gerd Bauersfeld
    Participant

    Thx, for all your tips.
    I will try the one with destilled water and shampoo first, it sounds the easiest.
    When the results are satisfiying that will be it.
    Maybe I will try the professional cleaning on those records where the easy cleaning does not work.
    And yes, Chuck good point: I dont want to spend the rest of the free-time of the whole year to clean and rip some vinyl.

    #40696
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    GerdB, post: 40851, member: 1387 wrote: … And yes, Chuck good point: I dont want to spend the rest of the free-time of the whole year to clean and rip some vinyl.

    Terry probably would. His wife let’s him use the entire basement! He can probably do 300 a week! :-p

    You are welcome and greetinx,
    C.

    #40893
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    LOL

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