Home 2023 Forums Digital DJ Gear Can anyone suggest a controller for Cross DJ

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  • #44286
    DJ Vintage
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    Cross aims to be the most open DJ Software platform, which means they have a policy of trying to support as many controllers as possible. Me being a DENON afficionado I would definitely say have a look at MC3000 and even MC2000 which are natively supported in Cross DJ.

    I think MixVibes have an impressive list of supported controllers in my opinion (with the noticeable and regretable omission of the Terminal Mix 4 I must say), so the choice for your chosen software is pretty broad.

    Search the forum for some of the earlier posts on “check lists” for what features you could want in a controller. First find out what you want to have, feature-wise, then make a shortlist, then try seeing/feeling your shortlist controllers live in a store or at a friends place. Then make your final choice.

    That way you know that the final 2-3 controllers you are looking at have at least gotten all of (or close to all of) the features you want. Then it’s a question of personal taste, looks, feel of knobs, faders, jogwheel and probably availability and budget.

    So, start with the features you feel you want/need. Don’t start by setting a number of controllers in line and start picking.

    Greetinx,
    C.

    #44288
    James Dentith
    Participant

    Thanks Chuck, that’s very helpful. I’ll check out the Denon controllers for sure.

    #44296
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Some report that the DDJ-SX is really good in Cross.

    #44301
    Edgard Rivera
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    Chuck van Eekelen, post: 44443, member: 2756 wrote:
    I think MixVibes have an impressive list of supported controllers in my opinion (with the noticeable and regretable omission of the Terminal Mix 4 I must say), so the choice for your chosen software is pretty broad.

    I’m just waiting for this to Cross over.

    #44311
    James Dentith
    Participant

    Great feedback, I’ll check out the DDJ-SX.

    Size, ahem, might be a factor in that I’m mostly playing in smaller venues rather than clubs, but I don’t want to sacrifice any functionality between the controller and software.

    Chuck, I had a copy of Traktor and must say Cross seems way easier to use. (Even bought a Traktor tutorial from Olav Bososki from MacProVideo…. not very good, even though his tutorials on mixing and producing house in Logic9 are excellent)
    Which reminds me, I’ve been thinking of taking Phil’s tutorial. I”m sure it’s very good, as he’s an outstanding teacher, but I”m wondering if what he’s showing will be fairly easy to follow using Cross DJ if he’s demoing techniques in Serato or Traktor or Virtual DJ?

    #44318
    James Dentith
    Participant

    Just found a music shop near me that stocks a Nu-Mark Mixtrack Pro 2 which is mapped to Cross DJ and at a reasonable price. I’m assuming when you get it out of the box and power up, all the knobs and pads respond to the software without having to spend ages programming midi info etc. Sorry to ask dumb questions on here…. I’m coming from a guitar background! Thanks for your patience.

    #44331
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Yeah the mixtrack pro II should work out of the box, at least due to mixvibes website.

    #44346
    James Dentith
    Participant

    Thanks Terry, yeah, checked Phil’s review on youtube. He didn’t exactly inspire me to rush out and buy it, like he did when I saw his review of Cross DJ! I’m now seriously leaning toward the Vestax Spin 2. (Can you or anyone let me know whether any of the controllers work with instant mapping to the software right out of the box ie, Cross with Spin 2 or whether you have to spend a lot of time mapping them yourself?) Much appreciation for all your help on this forum.

    #44365
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Sorry the spin is one of the few controllers I am not familiar with.

    #44372
    James Dentith
    Participant

    I keep reading the term HID for controllers. Is this a new midi type standard? Or is it for using 4 decks on a CDJ? Pleas enlighten me someone/anyone… Can’t seem to get the answer via google…

    #44385
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    HID is actually a protocol that has more to do with USB than with MIDI. It is called Human Interface Device Protocol.
    Now the problem with MIDI is 2 things that influence especially things that need to happen either very fast (scratching, jog movement, finger drumming…) as MIDI has some degree of latency that cannot be overcome or things that need high resolutions (again jogs) as MIDI is limited in how granular it can be.

    Now to overcome these shortcomings and since we use USB anyways to hook things up programmers can use HID directly. Since HID is a much more modern protocol (actually invented with USB) it has far less latency (things will feel more tight) and can have nearly endless resolution on predefined things (jogs).
    However there is also a problem with this. MIDI is predefined and easy to remap, since it is made for music, has predefined channels and parameters to work with. This is why there is “midi mapping”.
    HID has not been developed for music and only gives very basic things (hence its great performance), but each manufacturer uses different things and ways to program their HID stuff. So the HID things on your controller have to be supported natively by the software and cannot be re-mapped in most cases.

    #44417
    James Dentith
    Participant

    Thanks Terry, great explanation! Totally get it now…. is there really that much lag if you’re triggering sample pads by midi.

    This forum is a great resource, again thanks and cheers!

    #44436
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    I never had a problem with pad triggering, but it bothers some people.
    On the other hand I had serious problems with scratching and can only really scratch when latency is really low and jogs are tight. Hence I use the Terminal Mix with Serato.

    #44445
    gullum
    Participant

    all the controllers on this page http://www.mixvibes.com/compatible-controllers are supported by Mixvibes CrossDJ, Witch means no need to do any midi mapping (programing).
    For the most part all controllers are mapped in a way that they do what is labeled on the controller so if a button says loop or play on the controller that what it will be mapped to in Cross.

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