Buying used pioneer gear and i need help
Home 2023 › Forums › Digital DJ Gear › Buying used pioneer gear and i need help
- This topic has 13 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 12 years, 2 months ago by
DJ Vintage.
-
AuthorPosts
-
January 29, 2014 at 9:03 pm #1027528
DJ Vintage
Moderator<span style=”line-height: 1.5em;”>Things to look for are a) see & hear it work! With USB, with CD and hooked up to a laptop. Take a real close look at the display that it’s fully functional. Remember that CD-players (the lasers) need to be (re)calibrated once in a while. Ask when that was done last.</span>
Check for excessive wear, check for signs of liquids ever being on the units (they’ll probably be polished but you never know). If you think you’ll get an honest answer, you will want to ask if it was used in non-smoking environments (predominantly anyway). Smoke has a habit of killing gear, quietly and invisibly.
<span style=”line-height: 1.5em;”>Scratches and other signs of hard use are obvious tell tales on how the units were treated.</span>
With serious gear like the Pioneer, chances are more than average that it was used in a production environment. In that case many people will have used it (venues have multiple DJs each night, several nights a week sometimes). And since it was not their gear, pretty fair to assume that some of them didn’t treat the gear very delicately.
Long story short. Be sure of where the gear came from. Check for price of comparable used gear online and if the ones you are looking at sound to good to be true … the probably are.
Final word. Remember that Pioneer stuff keeps its value, so you are gonna pay a relatively large amount of money (especially compared to your S4 set-up). Saw a pair of 900s without a mixer (granted, used only at home and looking brand-new) go for over 1.7k euro! Add another 600-800 for a mixer and you are looking at 2.3 to 2.5k for used gear. With no guarantee. Repairs are not cheap.
Buy it if it feels right, looks right and the price is about right. Any of those off? Don’t buy.
Hope that helps a bit & greetinx.
January 29, 2014 at 9:24 pm #1027530Matt Orozco
ParticipantThanks @DJ Vintage! These are great questions especially the smoke environment and laser calibration.
The price is not outstanding, but it is fair for the gear. ($4k for 2xCDJ-2000, DJM-900 Nexus, and coffin cases) The seller said they were used, but not heavily and didn’t do a lot of traveling.
I am curious about the “going back on features and functionality” aspect. Is this in reference to traktor software being more capable of effects, loops, samples, remix decks, etc.? I don’t plan on ditching traktor (I have an X1 MK2 that I got for $75 from a friend, so I plan on keeping that for small gigs and light travel with the DJM-900NXS), but since I am taking my DJing more seriously I figure it is a worthwhile investment to be well versed on the kind of gear I will most likely find in venues. I don’t want to lag around the Laptop all the time because replacing a USB stick is cheaper than a Mac. Currently, I don’t use traktor to it’s full capabilities (ie: using a lot of loops, samples, yadda yadda). I am fortunate enough to make a decent living and want to invest in gear that I will come across to prepare myself for that.
I appreciate the feedback and if you have any other tips / tricks I am all ears. I have learned in my 28 years of life that it is better to ask than assume and all suggestions have value especially in a forum such as this one!
January 29, 2014 at 9:38 pm #1027533DJ Vintage
ModeratorYou read my post before I edited it. I thought you were getting a non-midi mixer and then reread your OP and saw that you were planning on getting the 900NXS which IS midi. If you get the right mappings, I think you can get the same functionality.
First off, using the displays on 900s and 2000s for tracks selection is a pain, imho. Try it and you’ll know what I mean. Not too bad if you take a relatively small collection with relatively small playlists it’ll be ok, but trust me when I say you don’t want to me a mobile DJ out on a night without a fixed set (which is just about every gig) with a thousand+ tracks on a USB stick and trying to find something in a hurry of quickly listen to a few different tracks to determine which one fits best.
If I go to a gig these days with a 2000(NXS) set-up I bring my laptop. Plug in two usb leads and presto! Mixvibes Cross with all the browser functionality and stuff. I hook up the mixer too if it’s midi and send the preview signal to one of the free channels on the mixer. I can preview tracks faster than I could with CD’s. I can make smartlists on the fly, easily see which tracks are harmonically compatible and lot’s of other stuff those little CDJ displays won’t give me.
I am at the point that I’d actually rather bring my CD-wallet to a gig than USB sticks (although I will bring them as backup), if I can’t bring my laptop. No problems with right formatting and stuff. And crate digging works better for me when I can see all the CD’s.
It’s great gear, I love the feel of full size players/platters. I play on 900s and 2000s somewhat regularly and own a set of Denon DN-SC2900s. I am perfectly happy playing on my Denon MC6000 controller too though.
So, what is my advice? Learn how to use your CDJ gear with just CDs or USB sticks, but mostly use it with a laptop hooked up (don’t worry about the mixer mapping, it has all the FX and such inside).
You get the best of both worlds, the feel of real CDJs and the browsing, waveforms and such from DJ software.
Greetinx.
January 29, 2014 at 9:48 pm #1027539Matt Orozco
ParticipantFantastic advice! The reason I was leaning towards the DJM-900nxs and not the 800 or 700 was because of the Traktor Certification. I heard that with the most up to date firmware for the mixer I should be able to get most of traktor into that setup.
Good thinking on connecting the laptop as a browser / back up, hadn’t thought about that and while I want to move away from relying the laptop it makes sense for big gigs to have that in place.
Thanks again!
January 30, 2014 at 2:21 am #1027560Lamid45G
ParticipantJust for a references, i bought used a pair of CDJ 900 plus the used DJM 900 NXS, about a month ago, around $ 2918.21, both in pretty good conditions at least above 90% with no boxes of course tough,
January 30, 2014 at 4:32 pm #1027600Matt Orozco
Participant@djrizki Thanks for the reference! I was looking at a pair of 900’s would were going for $1400 for the pair. I will be buying the DJM-900NXS for $1500 so going with the CDJ-900s I would be around the same as what you got. I figure though that the CDJ-2000 while more expensive is a newer product than the 900 so it will have higher resale value when or if I move onto a higher end player and also since 2000 is a newer model less likely that Pioneer will stop supporting it before the 900. I have done my homework and it doesn’t seem like there is THAT much of a difference between them, but I may be wrong.
January 30, 2014 at 5:15 pm #1027603DJ Vintage
Moderator2000 vs 900:
- <span style=”line-height: 16px;”>DVD (not just CD)</span>
- Better, full color, display
- Lighted jogwheel edge (you can see which one is active when linked with the mixer
- Tension adjust (how “heavy” you want your jogwheel to feel
- Needle search (searching inside track, browser functionality)
- Slipmode (music goes on underneath while you do stuff, like backspins, scratches, fx and such)
- NO Hot Cue buttons on the 2000! 4 of them on the 900
- SD Card slot
So, it depends on a few things (and we are back at the what kind of DJ are you, what are you trying to achieve questions). For some hot cue heavy user DJs the lack of those on the 2000s is enough to turn them on to the 900s. Others love the display so much better or any of the other features. There is a budget issue too of course, new the difference is several hundred dollars.
Finally, if you want the decks to practice without laptop primarily, I think the 2000s are your best bet if you can live without the 4 hot cue buttons. If you want to get a feel for pure CDJ DJ-ing, but will be using them mostly as controllers for your software, I think I’d save my money and go with the 900s.
Greetinx.
January 30, 2014 at 5:52 pm #1027605Matt Orozco
ParticipantAlways helpful stuff @DJVintage! I guess that raises a few questions:
– Does needle search function the same way as beatjumping does in Traktor?
– Can external midi devices be mapped to work with the CDJs without the use of a laptop so I could create hot cue buttons?
– Somewhat unrelated one, but do either the 900s or 2000s have the ability to preview a track while browsing? I do this now in traktor, but have not been able to see if CDJs can do this or not.
I use hot cues now, but not in a way that I rely on them for performance purposes. If I can map a midi controller like my little Akai LPD8 than it’s a moot point for me. I’m not a “sample pack midi fighter” style DJ so things like hot cues are nice to have, but not imperative.
January 30, 2014 at 7:00 pm #1027611DJ Vintage
ModeratorNeedle search. Uhm, don’t think so. It does as advertised, let’s you jump to any point in the waveform. Probably will have a snap-to function, but I only use it when searching for a particular part of a track.
Midi on CDJs. Nope, don’t think that can be done. You’d always need a laptop, in which case you could hook up the LPD8 or something and use IT for cue points.
Preview. Don’t believe so. Have to load it, press play, press cue, then load the next track. (told you, you were gonna lose some functionality LOL).
Greetinx.
January 30, 2014 at 7:15 pm #1027615Matt Orozco
ParticipantThanks again, I figured I was going to lose some of the conveniences and functionality of software however for what I’m going for this is just going to force me to get a better handle on my tunes. Right now preview is a GREAT function, but it handicaps me by allowing me to be more relaxed on my organization.
I figured I would need a laptop for MIDI and I’m not ditching traktor completely, but want to rely more on the CDJ functionality than the laptop. Honestly it boils down to me wanting to play with professional gear to be more prepared for professional gigs. And as you mentioned before, it is a good idea to have my laptop and have traktor running even just as a back up.
January 30, 2014 at 8:21 pm #1027622DJ Vintage
ModeratorHey, nothing wrong with preview. I was VERY adept at inserting, previewing and ejecting CD’s. I could do an entire CD in less than 2 minutes, easy LOL.
You see, for my style of DJ-ing, I can’t do mounts of preparations. The night could go in any direction and I need to adapt to it. I can’t show up with a prepped two-hour set or anything. So for me being able to scroll through various potential tracks (and tossing them in a preparations list or crate) is a must, not a wish.
I’d go with what works best for you. If you have the skills to adapt to varying circumstances gear-wise, so much the better. But take yourself as a measure, not what other people think, say, use, whatever.
Greetinx.
February 3, 2014 at 4:24 am #1027974Lamid45G
ParticipantKeep in mind also that Pioneer just released the Nexus version of the 900 series, CDJ 900 NXS, just want to added more to the confusion =P
February 3, 2014 at 4:29 am #1027979DJ Vintage
ModeratorYeah, but not many NXS around on the second-hand market yet 🙂
-
AuthorPosts
- The forum ‘Digital DJ Gear’ is closed to new topics and replies.