Beginning DJ – Basic Hardware/Software Advice
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May 8, 2014 at 10:32 am #2029275
Groovepunk
ParticipantHi, and welcome to the forum!
I’m not surprised you’re a little confused – it’s a real minefield these days! Well done for checking out the DigitalDjTips 2014 controller guide as it’s a great place to start.
I wouldn’t get too stressed about picking software. In the last year or so, Serato and Traktor have become far more alike and largely provide the same functionality (I fully expected to incur the wrath of the forum so such a sweeping statement!). It really comes down to personal preference. It sounds like you’ve had some exposure to Traktor, is there a store near you where you could try Serato? It’s not essential but you may get a feel for one or the other.
As many of the experienced DJs on this forum will tell you, it almost doesn’t matter what you start our with. A lot of guys (including me) will have started with a couple of belt-drive turntables and basic mixer. These days just about any $200+ controller will give you enough functionality to start out and learn the basics thanks to the controller market finally getting mature and many features becoming standard. The resale value of most stuff tends to be good too.
As I’ve posted previously, I’m a big fan of starting small/basic and working up. This ensures you don’t get distracted from learning the basics first and you haven’t spent too much cash on the off-chance that you decide DJing isn’t for you.
I hope that helps!
GP
May 8, 2014 at 11:25 am #2029292Mike Ward
ParticipantI wouldn’t get too hung up on the differences between Traktor and Serato, as GP said. They fundamentally do the same things, although Traktor is a lot more customizable if you’re into ‘tinkering’.
I own a Twitch, and (for what I do) it’s a great controller, and a real steal if you can get it for that kind of price, particularly as you’ve already spotted that it gets the free upgrade to Serato DJ (from Itch). I’d make totally sure that you’re not going to miss the jogwheels though (I don’t at all, I don’t scratch, so touchstrip nudging for manual beat matching is fine for me). I bought an F1 after owning the Twitch about a year, so I also play with Traktor (and Ableton) sometimes using that alongside the Twitch, but for ‘straight-up’ 2 channel DJing, I tend to go back to Serato.
I started on a cheap Hercules controller, though, (I think it cost about 60 USD) using Mixxx software, which is free. It taught me the basics of mixing, beat matching etc… which was a much cheaper route if I hadn’t been so serious about it. Depends on how much you want to invest straight off the bat really.
Get down to your local DJ store and spend a couple of hours there, or spend an afternoon at your S2-owning friend’s house, and take your time. And once you make your mind up, enjoy the journey!
May 8, 2014 at 1:38 pm #2029325Terry_42
KeymasterWe forum staff of digitaldjtips currently suggest for total beginners a Serato setup with the Reloop Beatmix 4 controller. As it is most bang for the buck.
Other controllers we see fit are:
Numark Mixtrack Pro I or II
Pioneer DDJ-SBThese are our top choices.
May 8, 2014 at 2:43 pm #2029344DJ Vintage
ModeratorI wouldn’t say all software is mainly equal. Although quite a few of the features of one platform can be found on others, they are not always implemented the same way. Things as waveforms (parallel or not), beatgridding (rigid or flexible) and samplers/remix decks are just a few of the differences.
You will have to make up your own mind about what software works for YOU! Don’t listen to anybody else. All that matters is YOUR workflow. There’s been tons written here and over on the blog about chosing your software.
As far as hardware is concerned, what Terry mentioned of course (with the BeatMix currently the unbeatable option) and in addition to the Mixtrack Pro and DDJ-SB of course the indestructable Denon MC2000.
Greetinx.
May 9, 2014 at 12:14 am #2029525Kelvin Jenneskens
ParticipantWow you guys are all very helpful! I really appreciate the well thought out responses and the warm welcome so thank you!
@GroovePunk – I have never heard of a DJ store before. I assume music stores have DJing equipment giving the explosion of electronic music and the DJing scene in recent years. I will figure out a way to try serato before I make a decision. Thanks!
@Mike Ward – As of now I am not really into tinkering. That is not to say I wont be if I find DJing is something I enjoy but while this may be irrelevant to the forum I have AD/HD and so I tend to learn more slowly than others and so I am definitely going to be starting with the basics and getting those down. I tend to be indecisive so that is one big thing I want to work on is being able to quickly pick good tracks that flow with what I am doing.Good to hear from someone who owns a Novation Twitch that its a good piece of equipment. It seems like a good bang for your buck and I am all about bang for your buck when making purchases. I am not really interested in scratching to be honest. I mean it might be fun to try out but its by no means at all a priority for me. How is the Novation Twitch limited without jog wheels compared to controllers with jog wheels if i may ask?
I have heard great things about Mixxx as well but I think I want to go with something a bit more commercial and streamlined for beginning.
@Terry_42 – What makes the Reloop Beatmix 4 such a Bang for your buck controller if I may ask? Or could you point me in a direction of where I can get more quality information via reviews and whatnot. It looks like a very nice controller, as such I am definitely interested in it. Judging by the fact that its 299 euros on the website I am assuming in US dollars it comes close to $400 brand new? I have seen and read a small bit about the Numark and the Pioneer but will do some more in depth research on them.
@DJ Vintage – I do like the look of the waveforms in Traktor but I definitely need to see Serato in action. I don’t really understand beatgridding much…I read in an article on this website that stated this “The Twitch is small, light and original. Twitch is great if you’re happy to beatgrid your music. For freestyling (ie manual beatmatching), jogs are still the best way of phase matching your music; I don’t scratch either but I do like to DJ with jogs when mixing non tempo-matched material. But if you really don’t need jogs, then Twitch has lots of innovative features that’ll keep you happy for a long time.”
I was a slight bit confused by this. Mark Ward maybe you can enlighten me?
and as for sampling and remixing I think it will be awhile before I have the skills for those.
May 9, 2014 at 4:04 am #2029555Kelvin Jenneskens
ParticipantI just saw a craigslist post of a guy selling a Traktor S4 Mk1 for 400 with price maybe negotiable.
May 9, 2014 at 7:20 am #2029593DJ Vintage
ModeratorHey, I think you covered everybody 😀
Novation Twitch, as you can tell from any picture is missing those circular thingies (jog wheels). Jog wheels make manipulating a track (nudging it forward/backward and cueing for example) a whole lot easier. And obviously if you ever want to do some scratching they are obligatory. Manipulating a track is necessary to go into beatmatching (which is mixing one tune into the other with the beats exactly overlapping). Beatmatching is a big thing in DJ-ing. Even with software now offering the sync function to take that out of your hands, you really still need manual beatmatching skills.
The thing about Serato (and a few others) waveforms is not that they have them (like Traktor also), but that they are sitting next to each other as you are playing. This offers all kinds of extra visual information, not in the least it’s much easier to tell if two track are playing in sync. You can do without, but it just makes life a little easier again.
Hope that helps.
Greetinx.
May 9, 2014 at 3:27 pm #2029703Mike Ward
ParticipantThis is becoming a very detailed thread 🙂
Chuck answered the jog wheels question nicely, thanks man.
I’d definitely agree that it is easier to nudge with jog wheels; it takes a while to get used to how slow/fast/short/long to ‘swipe’ on the touchstrip, but once mastered it’s probably as responsive. I often ride acapellas with dubious BPMs/slack beatgridding (yes, I know, poor preparation!) manually by swipe-nudging. But yep, scratching is totally out.You DEFINITELY need to try the Twitch out before buying, some people REALLY miss the jogwheels, so do find a store somewhere in the Seattle area and go in and have a play. Can’t comment on US stores, but in the UK stores will happily let you play for a few hours to help with the decision making process 🙂
Also, spend a few hours on YouTube watching controller reviews and people’s demo performances, particularly ones where you can see both the controller and a screen capture. It’ll start to give you a good idea of the differences in the software/hardware.
May 10, 2014 at 7:56 pm #2030033Terry_42
KeymasterWell the Beatmix is a lot of bang for the buck for the following reasons (and compared to other entry level controllers):
– It has really good build quality even though it is mainly plastic it is a good plastic (like the higher end Pioneers)
– It already has 4 channels and unlike some other entry level controllers has separate gain knobs for each channel
– While the jogwheels are not solid aluminium like on the Terminal Mix, they share the same setup of very good profile and nice almost vinyl like feel, which makes them an excellent choice for scratching
– Due to what I got from talking to the guys at reloop the basic sound card is the same quality as their higher end offering, so sound quality should be top notch
– Also there is a full Version of Serato DJ included (for a limited time) which usually costs you 100 to 120 bucks extra to upgrade from a provided Intro versionSo while it is a little more expensive than lets say a Mixtrack Pro II, this price difference is relative as it has more features than the Mixtrack Quad and comes with 120 bucks of software for free.
So this is a really good offering in my book.
As far as reliability goes, the unit is brand new, so I cannot comment on it. I played for around an hour on the unit at Musikmesse Frankfurt 2014 and it felt really solid. All faders, pads and buttons were really good.
I myself have used a Terminal Mix 4 for the last 2 years live and it has not let me down and having also used other reloop stuff (I like their turntables also) all stuff I got my hands on from them were really good and held up nicely.
Of course a plastic casing will ding more easily than for example my fully metal Terminal Mix, but that is to be expected. -
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