Beginner starting too cheap?
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December 6, 2016 at 12:16 am #2478071
DJ Vintage
ModeratorMy personal choice would be to get a used one of the regular recommended list here or try getting an overstock “older” version. For example, whether you get the Mixtrack Pro 2 or 3, or getting the beatmix 2 instead of the mk2 or the DDJ-SB instead of the mk2 …. not that much of a difference for a starting DJ. Getting a 2-year old Denon MC2000 “tank” that has been used in a bedroom only …. not much difference to a new one, especially if you can find it close enough that you can test and play with it.
Buying a trade-in Reloop Beatmix 2 (first version) from a shop that took it in when somebody upgraded to a Pioneer DDJ-SX …. will serve you well.They all have the same thing in common, a certain level of (build) quality and features, nice sound, good support, large user base (should you have any questions) and they will all last you through your starter days and if that is where you stay, they will last forever.
Even if you do want to stay in the bedroom (due to time limitations or whatever) I think you will outgrow the Hercules pretty quickly (no multimode performance pads, no dedicated filter, very limited FX control, no gain/trim, short throw low resolution pitch faders, (my opinion) not such nice jogwheels and more).
The others (used or old model) won’t break the bank, will do what is expected of them and are supported by many DJ software platforms. Be sure though to get the software/license number that came with the controller, even if it’s just an LE/Lite version!
BTW, the price is not that special for the Hercules. I saw Bax-Shop (one of the bigger European online stores) sell it for 119,00 euro down from 199,00.
Just did a quick scan of used controllers of the mentioned brands/models on our Dutch eBay version and you can find plenty of them in the 90-130 euro range. So you should be able to succeed in the same price range as the new Hercules.
December 6, 2016 at 7:08 am #2478121Jonas Hansson
ParticipantThank you for the input.
I have been searching for used alternatives for weeks, but unfortunately the prices around here are not good for used DJ equipment, normal price for an used DDJ-SB (not SB2) seem to be around $200 with shipping.
To clarify, the Hercules Air “Plus” is not sold by bax-shop from what I could find, its the “regular” version they sell for €119 now, the plus model is usually around €70 more expensive here, which is why I thought it may be a good deal still. The pads on the plus model is said to be switchable between hot-cue and samples and velocity sensitive, but maybe not the same as pioneer? Jogwheel also said to be larger and better (I know they wont be up to pioneer standards, but not looking to be scratching). There was also gain control and dedicated filter buttons on top.
The “deal” I got on the Air+ was $120 with a 5 year warranty included.
My thoughts was to get this to get started, and perhaps later on when I do find an used DDJ-SB for reasonable cost, upgrade to that and keep the Air+ as backup, or giveaway to nephews if they get interested.My question is , can the Air+ be good enough to get started with, without missing out on any important feature that is a must have to get really good? (The low throw pitch fader I know of, but the DDJ-SB seem to be suffering from the same thing?)
Thank you for the input once again.
December 6, 2016 at 8:35 pm #2478311DJ Vintage
ModeratorI was looking at the regular one. With all the extra’s you mention it sounds like most of the needed features are there.
As for the pitch fader length, there are two criteria to watch, 1 is the actual length (longer is usually better) but the second one (and you can’t see that from the outside) is the so-called resolution. Two same length faders will be different in use if one has higher resolution than the other. Since I (clearly) don’t know the Air Plus model, I can’t say how those faders are.
Have fun with your purchase!
December 6, 2016 at 10:44 pm #2478501Jonas Hansson
ParticipantSounds good that it seem to have the important things available for starting out.
Thank you for taking time to reply!January 9, 2017 at 8:32 am #2486871Jonas Hansson
ParticipantI figure’d I would follow up on this thread in case someone find it through the search and consider getting the Hercules Control Air+ ( Air Plus ).
Summary: Dont purchase it!
Basically, the controller while it does feel cheap, had all the features listed on it that I wanted.
However the implementation of one particular function was really, really bad!The pitch sliders! While I can live with them being short, the pitch sliders on the Hercules Air+ have a huge deadzone, not just in the center, but if you move the slider up to decrease BPM and then want to increase BPM by moving the slider in the opposite direction, there is a deadzone of ~1.5mm before the controller even send out a MIDI command to alter the BPM. That is crazy and makes beatmatching manually very difficult. It also had a deadzone in the center of roughly 2mm in each direction before sending out a MIDI command.
(The pitchsliders did seem to be of high resolution thought once the controller actually sent out commands, it’s very strange they have implemented it this way. I guess what one should be looking for is pitchslider length, resolution and deadzones, the last I didnt even think could be an issue before getting this controller)
According to the store I purchased the controller from, they are actually supposed to be this way and was not a defect, and both left and right deck were the same. Luckily the store I purchased if from was great and I was able to return the controller and got the money back.
While used equipment are usually expensive where I live (almost new price), I was able to find an used DDJ-WEGO (1) two days ago for a great price and got that instead and I’m glad I did, while this controller is older, it’s still miles ahead of the hercules, And the pitchsliders work great!
January 13, 2017 at 9:49 am #2488481Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorThanks for the update. While sorry you went through the experience of buying and getting rid of the Hercules, I am glad to see our advice was solid.
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