As a DJ are you "Sound Obsessive"?
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July 27, 2011 at 9:13 pm #4791
happydan
ParticipantU31, post: 4781 wrote: What genre are you mixing, and / or are you scratching on the volumes? I seen scratching done thay way one night when the cross fader pot started to bleed over one night on a house mixer 😉
I mix with the faders on Techno/Tech/Progressive.
July 27, 2011 at 9:18 pm #1001225Alex Wild
ParticipantI mix lots of stuff. No scratching though.
July 27, 2011 at 9:20 pm #4796U31
MemberSounds very similar to my style dan, other then you having your headroom on the gain knob rather then the vol slider ..
i suppose also when i’m, doing transitions i can be using all fingers on both hands tweaking eq’s on both channels while manipulating the volume sliders on each deck so for me using my method its two less knobs to try and reach to manipulate, as my method for headroom is already to hand .. its how i always done it and ive never knowingly clipped out yet!July 27, 2011 at 9:23 pm #4797Alex Wild
ParticipantHang on a sec. Have you got one of those A&H mixers where the gains are on the back? If so, it explains a lot.
July 27, 2011 at 9:29 pm #4799U31
MemberLol, nope, my old analogue Numark had em on the top as does my Numark omnicontrol in fact they are directly above the eq pots on there, but if you can imagine i have devolped a style where i use my palms on the volume faders while im turning eq’s on each channel.. If i need a very sudden cut ill then flick the cross fader
Weird huh but old habits die hard!
July 27, 2011 at 9:29 pm #4800happydan
ParticipantThe 32. 🙂
July 27, 2011 at 9:30 pm #4801happydan
ParticipantU31, post: 4793 wrote: Lol, nope, my old analogue Numark had em on the top as does my Numark omnicontrol in fact they are directly above the eq pots on there, but if you can imagine i have devolped a style where i use my palms on the volume faders while im turning eq’s on each channel.. If i need a very sudden cut ill then flick the cross fader
Weird huh but old habits die hard!
How long have you been DJing?
July 27, 2011 at 9:34 pm #4803Alex Wild
ParticipantPalms on the faders! Sounds nuts, I cant imagine it. It must look like you’re praying :p
July 27, 2011 at 9:37 pm #4805U31
MemberAbout 1990 ish, with a long break from 98 till a couple of year back
As regards never maxing out gains, i had to jack in to one channel on the line side of a house mixer where others were on vinyl, and the levels on mine were uber low compared to the vinyl.. i wouldnt quite say maxed out but it took some creative tweaking of the house gains, my gains and master out on the omni to bring my set in seamlessly with the last guys 12″
Lol alex my hands are flat with fingers spread to get to the eq pots!
Edited for stoopidity!
February 3, 2012 at 12:19 pm #14067DJ Maye
MemberThe correct way is to mix with the faders!. To understand why, you might want to visit Harmony Centrals site and do a search on “Gain Structure.’ This is one of the primary reasons house tech’s have such disdain for DJ’s. Red lights blinking anywhere in a system,(be it amps, channel strips, or main output) are a warning. To many DJ’s don’t even have a basic understanding of how a sound system works. Do yourself a favor and get a basic understanding of how a high powered system works. The gain knobs should be set and left alone.
February 3, 2012 at 2:02 pm #1002839Pär Hessler
ParticipantYes I am “sound obsessive!”
A story:
I am working for a DJ firm that gives me mobile giggs and they have the JBL EON speakers.
As I found them to sound like crap I had to do something…
So I went to buy a pair of QSC K12 and a QSC K Sub just because I couldn’t bare the crappy sound.
(The ordience seldom complained but I had to bring a 2x64band EQ to get it to sound a bit better)
The firm does not pay me a penny more because i use my own speakers instead of their but I find it much more fun to play on the QSC than on their crappy JBL EON.At home I have Genelec studio monitors and sub. and I use Klotz cables everywhere.
There is better things but not much and I am very happy with how it souns for now.Also I never touch an 192Kbp MP3 because it sounds very thin and flat in my ears, so I do dissagree with Phil and others on that. I hear a difference and if I do some in my ordience might do as well. I also master all my MP3s with Platinum Notes and Mixed In Key. Sometimes even with Cubase if it does not sound right to me.
February 4, 2012 at 7:59 pm #14151D-Jam
ParticipantI think most DJs need to realize the mixer is a CONTROLLER. It controls the sound.
I’ve gone to events where things are a total mess. I’ll see a turntablist mixer being used for normal play…mixers with a 2-band EQ on each channel (bass and treble). I’ve see guys with expensive Pioneer mixers, but the channel volumes are at 3, gains at 2, master at 3, and they wonder why things are so maxed out.
I don’t know if “my way” of doing things is the best, but here’s how I approach gain and levels. Let’s say I’m the one setting up the gear for a party or event and all levels and such have a 1-10 range:
- Set all the channel volumes to 8, the gains and EQs to 5 (the middle spot), and the Master to 8.
- Put something on to play. Pick something that plays loud.
- Raise the volumes on the amp until you hit the “loudest” you think it should ever get both in terms of what people can handle and what won’t distort.
- Take moments to toy with a few tracks and see if you need to tweak the individual EQs.
Just because they’re all at the middle, it doesn’t mean the speakers are balanced. The stack or setup could have loads of woofers and thus you find everything is bassey. Again. Use the mixer as your control to adjust that. Also be a tyrant if guest DJs simply want to crank the bass up to insane levels just to look cool. It shows how unprofessional they really are.
Now you have things set at the max, but it doesn’t mean you have to start there. The settings I suggested give you leeway to play around. So it’s early in the night you might have the master at 4 and then slowly raise things as they go up.
The gains IMHO should only be raised or lowered if the track is competing. So you have that really well-mastered but very loud tune overpowering your more normally mastered stuff…you’ll want to lower the gain on that one. Same deal with raising if the tune you’re playing is quieter. You want to maintain a balance of volume…not have too many ups and downs.
I set the channel volumes also at 8 because it gives you plenty of slide room if you’re fading in and out, but also some leeway in case you need to move a track to 9 or 10.
That to me is how I think it should be done. A good DJ should also get out of the booth a few times in the night to walk around and see how things sound to the audience. Your monitor might sound “fine”, but you’ll find out things aren’t that way on the floor.
Now if you’re doing a quick quest spot…then you have to fix as you go. So if the mixer volumes are all at 3 and things are very loud…turn down the amp then if you can. If not, then deal with it. If you’re only playing an hour and can’t do walkarounds, then turn off the monitor and try to adjust there.
Forget bitrates and that garbage…because I know most of you wouldn’t play crappy sounding tunes. Just worry about making a clean clear balanced sound from the monitor. It’s not about “THUMP THUMP THUMP” but about atmosphere.
February 5, 2012 at 12:15 am #14170Paul Hill
Participantwhat works for me is 3 things.making sure my master output levels dont crack the red zone and are consistent thro the mix.a program called platinum notes comes in handy.same applies with how you manage your eq’s and low/mid/high settings.just be aware of these.and thirdly,a pair of £10 laptop speakers will perform like £10 laptop speakers.when djing at home is use my harmon kardons and when i gig i have a pair of yamaha pa speakers which deliver some oomph.if im in a club ill take time to do some sound checks before i gig.i do insist on using my own gear but the pa is another issue,so you have to customise that to your needs.
February 5, 2012 at 3:15 am #14183coupon
MemberI hate venues that compensate lack of “oomph” by turning up the volumes by any means necessary T.T
February 5, 2012 at 3:31 am #14185eros
Member@ D-Jam
Always awesome advice , thanks for taking the time to post that.
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