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  • July 27, 2011 at 8:32 pm #4768
    Alex Wild
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    U31, post: 4707 wrote: There are SOOO many DJ’s out there who do that, volume faders at the top in stead of 3/4 way, EQ’s to the stops and gains up too high

    Why have channel faders at 3/4? How do you do cuts on the faders?

    In response to Phil’s post, I once had a manual that came with some yamaha tape 4 track that said on the first page:
    “A BAD RECORDING OF A GOOD SONG IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN A GOOD RECORDING OF A BAD SONG”

    Amen.

    July 27, 2011 at 8:34 pm #4770
    happydan
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    Alex Wild, post: 4761 wrote: Why have channel faders at 3/4? How do you do cuts on the faders?

    In response to Phil’s post, I once had a manual that came with some yamaha tape 4 track that said on the first page:
    “A BAD RECORDING OF A GOOD SONG IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN A GOOD RECORDING OF A BAD SONG”

    Amen.

    No no no. Line fader levels are irrelevant. That’s what the gain trims are for!

    July 27, 2011 at 8:41 pm #4771
    U31
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    So there is always headroom to make a track louder in the mix on that particular channel, its just good practice from back in the vinyl days and something i still do with digital
    Some tracks seem quieter then others (or louder) even after they have all been leveled with something like MP3 gain, and rather then be fiddling with gains ill just have my vol faders set at 3/4 and tweak up or down to get similar levels.
    On old analogue mixers there even used to be a line marked about 3/4 way up..

    July 27, 2011 at 8:42 pm #4772
    happydan
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    U31, post: 4764 wrote: So there is always headroom to make a track louder in the mix on that particular channel, its just good practice from back in the vinyl days and something i still do with digital
    Some tracks seem quieter then others (or louder) even after they have all been leveled with something like MP3 gain, and rather then be fiddling with gains ill just have my vol faders set at 3/4 and tweak up or down to get similar levels.
    On old analogue mixers there even used to be a line marked about 3/4 way up..

    Again… that’s what gain trims are for.

    July 27, 2011 at 8:43 pm #4773
    Alex Wild
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    happydan, post: 4763 wrote: No no no. Line fader levels are irrelevant. That’s what the gain trims are for!

    Welllll… They’re not irrelevant. I always keep mine at full (whilst the track is on obviously) so I can use them to cut. I set levels with the gain knob.

    July 27, 2011 at 8:45 pm #4775
    U31
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    I disagree. I think its bad practice to tweak gains once set, unless a track is an absolute mile out on levels. That’s what the volume faders are for

    July 27, 2011 at 8:48 pm #4776
    happydan
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    U31, post: 4768 wrote: I disagree. I think its bad practice to tweak gains once set, unless a track is an absolute mile out on levels. That’s what the volume faders are for

    Based on what evidence? Back in’t day, only the top end mixers had gains (or even none, if you go far enough back), so you had to use the line fader, but the whole point of gain trims is to tweak the level of the incoming song. THE WHOLE POINT.

    July 27, 2011 at 8:50 pm #4778
    Alex Wild
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    @U31 How would the end result be any different? Assuming you’re not boosting it into the red of course.

    July 27, 2011 at 8:53 pm #4780
    happydan
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    I just see using the line faders like that as sloppy and inaccurate. They are too easy to knock (which would push into the red) and with the gains you can adjust them and leave them alone.

    July 27, 2011 at 8:55 pm #4781
    U31
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    It’s only my opinion, bear in mind and everyone is different, no method being right or wrong only work and dont.

    But
    Hypothetically.

    Your mid transition, gains are up full because both tracks are quiet compared to the rest of the tunes in the set- and your vol faders are already up full, the bass is down on the incoming track and you just need to raise the level on the new track so that the mid shines through clearer… your turning the mid gain but it just needs that bit more… Where do ya go?
    You cant bring down the vol on the old track, trust me on that, the level change is instantly noticeable..
    I will just slide that fader towards the top, then ease it back down as i bring out the old track and the bass up on the new one..

    July 27, 2011 at 8:58 pm #4782
    Alex Wild
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    Tbh, I wouldn’t find myself in that situation as I make sure that I’ve got enough headroom by setting the incoming gains and the master out to allow for the flexibility you’re talking about.

    July 27, 2011 at 9:00 pm #4783
    U31
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    And thats why i state there is no wrong or right, both our ways work 😉

    July 27, 2011 at 9:07 pm #4785
    Alex Wild
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    Except that with your method I wouldn’t be able to do cuts on the line faders (as I couldn’t fling the fader back up to the top). Which was kinda my question about 4-5 posts ago! 😀

    Probably you dont use the faders for cuts is the obvious answer…

    July 27, 2011 at 9:10 pm #4787
    U31
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    What genre are you mixing, and / or are you scratching on the volumes? I seen scratching done thay way one night when the cross fader pot started to bleed over one night on a house mixer 😉

    July 27, 2011 at 9:10 pm #4788
    happydan
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    Yeah. I’ve been DJing for nearly 14 years (eek!) and never had the gain trims max out. These days, outboard soundcards run plenty hot enough to give you good oomph as well. If I ever have to watch you mix, I will be tearing my hair out!

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