Are All 320 kbps MP3s Created Equal?
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December 9, 2011 at 1:31 am #11109
Spandryl
MemberAnything that I don’t purchase I always run through a spectral analyzer… some tracks could be re-encoded to 320kbp from 128 or 192… normal 320kbs should be cut at 20k, if its anything less then its no good…
Spek is a free and simple program to check out your tracks.
December 9, 2011 at 10:43 am #11135softcore
MemberI don’t really understand how you could gain quality from a 128kbps or 192kbps mp3 when re-encoding it to 320kbps. The “information” is already lost and cannot be re-obtained. In fact, these “fake” 320kpbs (re-encoded out of lower kbps) are th emain reason many tracks found on the net, supposedly at 320kbps are not really sounding as such.
edit: unless I misunderstood the meaning of your posting, I read it as if you are stating that you re-encode mp3s to gain quality – if you just state that a 320kbps of unknown source could be a re-encoded 128/192 mp3 hence it sounds bad, then I agree 100%
Now, to answer the OP, the dual stereo format is the higher quality of stereo seperation you can get – always go for that. Joint stereo provides smaller file size but compromises the stereo seperation of the sound. The difference is mainly audible in quality speakers/monitors but not so much in clubs where the “stereo image” is neglected by the design of the club in the first place.
Another thing that supposedly could provide different results of a wave file when encoded to 320 kbps mp3 is the algorithm used – the most famous ones being “lame mp3 encoder” and “Fraunhofer mp3 encoder”. frankly, I have tested both and I wasnt able to detect noticeable differences in the final result (at least audibly). I never bothered to “null test” the resulted mp3s to see if there are any differences.
December 9, 2011 at 2:03 pm #11139VinnyBlanc
ParticipantSpandryl, post: 11106 wrote: Anything that I don’t purchase I always run through a spectral analyzer… some tracks could be re-encoded to 320kbp from 128 or 192…
+1 exactly this.
If I had a 128kbps track and re-encoded it to 320kbps I am not gaining any additional quality (just increasing the file size? I believe)
December 9, 2011 at 3:38 pm #11143softcore
MemberVinnyBlanc, post: 11136 wrote:
If I had a 128kbps track and re-encoded it to 320kbps I am not gaining any additional quality (just increasing the file size? I believe)Correct!
PS: I also edited my initial reply because I may have been reading Spandryl’s post the wrong way!
December 9, 2011 at 4:01 pm #11147Boogiepop
MemberI truly appreciate the swift and constructive responses by all, many thanks ! !
All the music I’ve acquired over the last 1 ½ years since I began taking DJing seriously have been purchased legally to ensure quality control, but many of my obscure tracks that distinguish my selection and craft my sound were previously acquired through more dubious means.
I’ll try Spek out being that its been recommended here and in the DJTT forum. Worst case scenario is that I’ll lose ¼ of my library which will bring me around 600 + tracks. I believe Phil has stated on several occasions this number is his ideal, so GG.
December 9, 2011 at 4:13 pm #11149VinnyBlanc
ParticipantSpandryl, post: 11106 wrote: Spek is a free and simple program to check out your tracks.
MAC compatible?
December 9, 2011 at 6:52 pm #11152Spandryl
MemberYup! Mac user here!
And @softcore, yea I meant that even if a track says its 320kbp doesn’t mean its good. You have to check each one out…
December 9, 2011 at 7:01 pm #11153VinnyBlanc
ParticipantSpandryl,
What exactly should I be looking for?
Complete cutoff @ 20k, 2 channels, anything else?I saw it will also display what I think are:
bitrate (kbps) ideally 320
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sampling frequency (Hz)) is this most likely always going to be 44.1kHz?Are there any other features or way to utilize this program?
December 9, 2011 at 7:22 pm #11155Spandryl
MemberYou have it. Its a very basic program…
December 9, 2011 at 7:30 pm #11156VinnyBlanc
Participantsoftcore, post: 11132 wrote:
Another thing that supposedly could provide different results of a wave file when encoded to 320 kbps mp3 is the algorithm used – the most famous ones being “lame mp3 encoder” and “Fraunhofer mp3 encoder”. frankly, I have tested both and I wasnt able to detect noticeable differences in the final result (at least audibly). I never bothered to “null test” the resulted mp3s to see if there are any differences.Is there a way (or program) to determine what algorithm was used to encode a specific file)
December 11, 2011 at 10:04 am #11247softcore
MemberUsually you will see at the tags of an mp3 file the encoder used….and usually it will be the “lame” one…..Im not aware of any program in case you want to make sure…I think its semantics after all. I believe the main reason for audible difference in mp3 files of the same kbps is the fact that they had once been “downgraded” to lower kbps and then re-encoded to higher kbps like you also mentioned earlier.
December 11, 2011 at 7:33 pm #11262D-Jam
ParticipantI just let my ears decide.
December 14, 2011 at 3:23 pm #11405U31
MemberFile size is a give away too, you know that 5 minute of audio at 320kbps should be around 10000 to 13000 KB and 128 kbps around 4500, –
5 minutes is 300 seconds, times this by bitrate
Encoding higher something ripped at 128KBPs isnt going to increase the file size that muchDecember 14, 2011 at 3:38 pm #11406U31
MemberScratch the above… I just tested that theory and its absolute rubbish!
I took a 3.39 minute 128kbps track, 3434 kb and encoded it at 320kbps..
The file size did indeed rise to 8582 kb..
Looks like ear ‘oles and spectrum analyzers are the only test!December 14, 2011 at 3:41 pm #11407U31
MemberSheeeeeet! I’m only buying Wav & flac from now on lol
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