Anyone had to build an audience from scratch?
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August 8, 2014 at 6:33 am #2048157
tosatto.michael@gmail.com
ParticipantThis would be a really good “Over to you” question for Phil. I myself have tried YouTube and Soundcloud, but little success. My best effort was a hundred and forty something views on YouTube, but I didn’t get over 10 Subscribers or Followers from my efforts on all my music.
August 8, 2014 at 9:57 am #2048183Lamid45G
ParticipantThe thing is not only you, most of other DJ’s if they only just focus to this one genre will find the same situation like you are.
I have a good friend of mine floating the same boat as you are,
His genre is, welp you guessed it, its “Trance”, thats his love and soul, he told me he cries when he listened to Trance (*chuckle tryin to keep my face straight when he was telling me this), he REFUSED to play anything but “Trance”
Well, we all know it the genre is pretty much dead (*dodged Trance fans), the Trance scene is pretty much is a dying breed, no local clubs in their right mind would hired a DJ that spin Trance nor have any some kind of event related to Trance
SO in order for him to keeps playin at the club, IS to switched his genre, multi-format genre, and yeap you guessed it, he REFUSED. He settles just makin some mixtapes and podcast it and stuff.
There is really no wrong or right in here, you just need to asked yourself what is it that you wanted ?
Me? the simple reason i still love DJing is to experience that blood rush when the crowds cheers and dance to MY DJing, regardless what typed of music i spinAugust 8, 2014 at 10:00 am #2048184Lamid45G
ParticipantForgot to add : All those above are based on my own experiences, take it with a grain of salt n peppaaaaa….whats da matter with your lifeee, why you gotta …err *cough sorry =p
August 8, 2014 at 1:25 pm #2048208Terry_42
KeymasterThe key is that online media comes LATER.
You cannot go to youtube and soundcloud and just ask people to like you. Most of the time they heard that 2000 times a day (why I am not answering Facebook or Soundcloud PMs… my Inbox there has prolly 1000s of messages already…. the counter is actually no longer working…)If you want to build a scene you have to start local. Get a loyal group of followers and promote yourself.
There are tons of articles on the main site here, most of them by D-Jam which are absolutely awesome.Bottom line however it is HARD, TIRESOME, it will take a long time and it will take EFFORT and MOTIVATION to do it.
Take the first step and put some EFFORT in searching for the main articles on the site 😉
August 8, 2014 at 1:57 pm #2048220Laura Smith
Participantdjrizki: while I respect your friend’s experience, I’m not sure it really applies here. I *am* multi-format, I’m just restricting myself to a specific sub-pool of artists to fit what I’ve seen as a need in the Christian religious community. The problem I’m running into is finding the niche that actually *sees* this as a need. Either people just don’t notice the music I’m playing (standard lounge DJ problem, if I remember the master class correctly) or the people who *are* noticing the music don’t have a need to hire a DJ.
To a degree, I have a feeling this is a variation on the standard problem most mobile DJs have. The club scene isn’t really an option for me to market myself, and I’m looking for ideas of how to stretch my marketing to get my foot in a door that will, eventually, lead to getting paid. Guess I might have just answered my own question…
Terry_42: Point taken. 🙂 I did do a search for “audience” before I posted, but had trouble navigating the site to get to information that would help me. Having a couple more search terms (especially D-Jam) does help, thanks!
As for building a following…I suppose that’s the crux of the question. When I play, I’ve had people come up to me who ‘get it’ and appreciate what I do and what I’m trying to do. They take my card…and I don’t hear from them again because they’re not looking to hire. I think I’m building a small following from the church gig, but it’s kind of hard to tell. I hear “build a following” all the time, and I understand that’s what I need to do. So how do you know when you *have* a following? And how do you build on it?
I know I’m in an uphill battle where I not only have to prove myself as a DJ, I have to make a niche for the pool of music that I’m working with. I see the need on a ‘theoretical’ level, and the more I listen to the music I’m listening to I know that what I’m trying to do is the solution to that need. But how do I find the people I need to convince of that to get work?
August 8, 2014 at 2:19 pm #2048222Laura Smith
ParticipantHuh…I guess this is my ‘never mind’, on a couple of levels…
Okay, Terry_42: thank you. Pointing me to the D-Jam article was exactly what I needed to hear. The article on “Build A Scene And DJing Success Will Follow…” (I’m posting the title of the article directly in case Michael Tosatto comes back and reads this thread) just inspired me and reminded me of where I need to market — and that now is the time to get my behind in gear and get to work. When I first launched, my original idea was to market to youth pastors and (especially) campus ministries. I thought my church’s campus ministry was going to be the launch point — but due to some ministry changes at my church (and the fact that they’re a much smaller and spread out group than I thought they were), I’ve got to polish up my marketing materials and get them out to more of the area churches. Church youth groups are, and I’m quoting here, dead when school’s not in session. They’re just starting to come out of hibernation and prep for the new school year.
My next gig is a church youth group thing that I’m volunteering for through another organization I’m a part of. This might be a good warm-up…just need to figure out how to make the event one that other churches will get inspired by…
Thanks!
August 8, 2014 at 2:23 pm #2048223tosatto.michael@gmail.com
ParticipantI don’t always participate, but I read most threads on this site ;). Still here and thanks for that mention.
August 8, 2014 at 3:08 pm #2048230DJ Vintage
ModeratorIt seems your problem is two-pronged, a) you are general DJ in that you play multiple genres, of which there are plenty about and b) you limit yourself to what I will call “suitable christian tracks” of which only a smaller portion of the population knows the existence and – by your own words – they don’t even know they have the need.
You are not gonna get the average audience to come to your gigs as there is just soo much alternatives if your night life is not limited by going only to places that fit in with your christian life style.
I think it has to be an inside out approach. Organise a dance evening in cooperation with the church/ministery/youth organisation and have them help promote it. From there you can start expanding. During your first event(s) be sure to invite key people from other churches or organisations you feel you would like to work with. Let them experience first hand what it is you are trying to accomplish.
I respect your zeal and I hope you will find the right information and motivation to go in the direction you want and make a succes of it.
August 8, 2014 at 5:44 pm #2048252Laura Smith
ParticipantDJ Vintage — Yeah, that was the direction I headed after reading some more of the marketing & promotion articles. Just downloaded a bunch of new music and I’m trying to use going through it all to keep me motivated. (Cleaning out my library to make sure it’s absolute musical gold.) I’m thinking with youth groups and campus clubs starting to plan their calendar for the new school year, having the option of a great party DJ to work with will work to mutual advantage. They get to reach out to students and young professionals with a real alternative to the club and party scene…and I’ll get paid. At least, I hope that’s how it’ll work…
August 11, 2014 at 9:38 am #2048323Terry_42
KeymasterAlso a huge tip and how I got a great following when I started getting bigger (end of 90s):
I not only gave out my card, but I also asked everyone to put their Email on a for I provided. I had a nice clipboard with a pen on it, so it was easy and fast for everyone to do. Not only did I have such a clipboard in my booth but also on the main bar (if the venue allowed it) and gave one to the bouncers at the entrance (which were easily befriended with some beer etc.).August 11, 2014 at 7:28 pm #2048382Casie Lane
ParticipantI’m just going to take this quote and flow with it… “pray and persevere…if God wants you to succeed, you will”.
So your music isn’t just for the masses…it’s for the people who really eat, sleep, breathe this mentality.
My advice is to RUN WITH IT!
Start with your branding.
1. Create a website that will absolutely draw the people who you want to book you in. How do you do this? Think about their needs, their beliefs and what they want out of a DJ service ONLY YOU can provide. If I am a director of a Christian camp and I need entertainment for a huge event will I choose someone who has a soundcloud page and maybe a small facebook fanpage that doesn’t reflect the message that I want Christian youths to follow OR would I pick the person who is the owner of a proper website that shows me what they stand for, who they work with and why they do it?
2. All other platforms will follow suit with that message. FB, Twitter, Soundcloud, Youtube.
3. Your communication to prospective clients/people who must hire you.
It’s not just you being a DJ. It’s about your message, what you bring with that message through music and how you can create an ever lasting message to every soul that listens with every set that you do.
I think there is so much opportunity out there for you Lauradi, I’m excited!!!
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